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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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AJC5 said:
No, there is a permanent undercurrent of dissatisfaction. People like to enjoy victories so do not come on here after victories because they would get dog's abuse if they did so. It doesn't mean that one victory has changed their mind. I don't care if we beat Liverpool and Utd away and win the cup. I still want him out because he has proven himself to be a complete failure as a manager this season, last season and while at Wigan. He achieved the records points total based on Moyes defence. Every pundit states that. It is completely undisputed. How else would you explain the complete reversal in our defensive performance since then despite the personnel being more or less the same and Martinez history of poor defensive organisation?
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Go on @davek what reply are you guna give to that? You know he's right.
 
The Esk said:
No Dave, and I never said that. I remember clearly the "new style" in Martinez' early games particularly at Goodison which caused some consternation because of the slow nature of building an attack.

What was left behind was a greater cohesiveness, and dare I say it, a stronger mentality.

I stand by my "inconvenient truth" Martinez does not possess all the skills required to create a top 4 side. If he did, then this season of all seasons would have been the ideal opportunity to use those skills and be up alongside Leicester, Spurs and West Ham. Instead we are languishing in mid-table wondering what should have been.
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The skills to make a top four side generally come with bags of money too. Leicester's season cuts across that, but it is a freak occurrence and represents the exception that proves the rule.

But, leaving aside the skill set argument, how is it that this Everton manager like no other is tasked (under pain of dismissal) with the securing of a CL spot? This is where all reason is left behind. Why does Martinez (a man who's made the best fist of things in terms of a CL type total) have to be found wanting to the point where finishing in a midtable position with a chance of silverware becomes a point of no return for you?

Whenever have you held those exacting standards to any other Everton manager?
 
Whistlin' Dixie said:
Best FB pairing in the league. 3 England internationals, one reputedly worth north of £50m. Irish & Argentinian internationals - Argentinian cost £9m.

And you think he needs to spend to sort them out?

No. He needs to pull his feckin finger out and drill them.
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It's Jags, and Howard. They're poison, spineless, voiceless, with no leadership. They are the spanner in the Entertainer's cogs. :coffee:
 
Talking to mates who follow other teams who can give a more objective view, most are astounded that the majority of the fan base want him gone.
My own feelings are :-The best assembly of players we have had since the 80's is down to RM.
Also some of the football has been the most exiting since the 80's, however it does look like his teams cannot defend.
Can't get that picture of Moyes grinning like a Cheshire cat after his tete-tete with the Man U higher-achy down in London, please not him.
 

davek said:
The skills to make a top four side generally come with bags of money too. Leicester's season cuts across that, but it is a freak occurrence and represents the exception that proves the rule.

But, leaving aside the skill set argument, how is it that this Everton manager like no other is tasked (under pain of dismissal) with the securing of a CL spot? This is where all reason is left behind. Why does Martinez (a man who's made the best fist of things in terms of a CL type total) have to be found wanting to the point where finishing in a midtable position with a chance of silverware becomes a point of no return for you?

Whenever have you held those exacting standards to any other Everton manager?
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Every single season since 1987.
 
matty1878 said:
But mate it's not a vendetta it's based on his actual managerial skills. Which seem to be as good as a chocolate fire guard
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....this week. Come back in a couple of weeks time and the critique will be gone or shelved....and obliterated forever if Everton win the cup.

Sorry mate, not having a go at you in particular. I just cant bear fickleness and inconsistency. And i cant stand a lynch mob mentality. - and that's what we have here....unlike last week when it was all Bobby's Brown Shoes...funny that.
 
davek said:
....this week. Come back in a couple of weeks time and the critique will be gone or shelved....and obliterated forever if Everton win the cup.

Sorry mate, not having a go at you in particular. I just cant bear fickleness and inconsistency. And i cant stand a lynch mob mentality. - and that's what we have here....unlike last week when it was all Bobby's Brown Shoes...funny that.
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Wait there I've just got you to agree something oh my lord! Lol lol lol "this week"
 
Whistlin' Dixie said:
Best FB pairing in the league. 3 England internationals, one reputedly worth north of £50m. Irish & Argentinian internationals - Argentinian cost £9m.

And you think he needs to spend to sort them out?

No. He needs to pull his feckin finger out and drill them.
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Who are wing backs when we need full backs.
 

oldblue said:
Definitely think if you step away from forums for a few days then it's like none of this is happening. I've seen managers survive much more than a few pundits saying we should be higher up the league.
I was so fed up last January and yet my anger barely made a ripple at boardroom level despite constant rants at my friends. It'll all pan out next season and most of this will be forgotten.
Big thing for me is that even with massive improvement in seasons to come or a completely different manager we may never get a better chance to win a trophy than this for a long time. And it would be great to put all feelings about the manager to one side and get right behind them just to help that happen.
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Spot on again mate.

It's fantasy island stuff. Funny and entertaining, but does not reflect reality...at least in the corridors of power.
 

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