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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

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Roberto Martinez heading for unwanted history at Everton
From home rule to home gruel for Roberto Martinez's Everton
I REMEMBER Everton's 1993/94 campaign.

Quite clearly as it happens.

I'd rather not … but I do.

Like the time I put my arm through our porch door as a teenager, it's seared on my consciousness - because both were painful, scary experiences.

I vividly recall an Efan Ekoku inspired Norwich scoring five times at Goodison.

I can still see Bradley Allen plundering a Goodison hat-trick for QPR, in front of just 17,089 fans.

I remember home defeats by Aston Villa, Man United, West Ham, Sheffield Wednesday, Newcastle, Spurs and Blackburn.

And I remember the grim goalless draw with Coventry which looked like ending Everton's 40-year tenure as a top flight football club.

Nine times Everton were beaten in front of their own suffering supporters that season – plus two more in Cup competitions.

If they had made it 10 home league defeats, Everton would have been relegated – and they trailed 2-0 to Wimbledon after half-an-hour.

It really was the most wretched, harrowing season for punters who had forked out for season tickets.

So why the history lesson?

Because we're seeing history made again.

Painful, harrowing history.

Saturday's stroll for Arsenal was an eighth home defeat for Everton this season. – which is just one short of Mike Walker's wretched, record-equalling, run in 1994.

I don't remember 1950/51, when Everton also lost nine times at home, but that home gruel that campaign was bad enough to see Everton relegated.

And both those horrible home records came in 42-match seasons.

These days the Blues play 38.

Only Troyes in France currently have a worse home record than Everton throughout the whole of Europe.

As if that's not bad enough, it could get even worse.

Everton must win all three of their remaining home matches this season – against Southampton, Bournemouth and Norwich – to avoid being labelled the worst home performers in Everton's history.

Using three points for a win, Everton collected 24 home points in 1957/58 and 1888/89 and 25 in 1929/30 1996/97 and 1896/97.

They currently have 16.

That's a deeply distressing statistic.

But what is most frustrating is that this isn't a bad team.

It is clearly capable of so much more – as they showed last week against Chelsea and as they routinely show on their travels.

But if Roberto Martinez can garner the plaudits – as he did after last week's FA Cup success, he must also accept criticism.

Because the fact Everton are under-performing so wretchedly at home must come down to one man.

So much of Roberto Martinez's approach is admirable.

He has put together a formidable squad of players.

He has recruited and progressed the best young centre-forward Everton have boasted since Gary Lineker.

And he has nurtured outstanding young talents like Ross Barkley, John Stones and Gerard Deulofeu.

But he steadfastly refuses to learn from his mistakes.

Everton's only home Premier League wins this season have come against Chelsea in the midst of a crisis – and relegation threatened Aston Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle.

Time and time again they have led with their chin and suffered embarrassing knockouts

That's a shameful statistic – and close to making unwanted history.

The greatest manager in Everton's history made mistakes.

Big, costly, avoidable blunders like Glenn Keeley's short-lived loan, an initial reluctance to play Peter Reid and his first 'magnificent seven signings' – only one of which ultimately proved magnificent.

But Howard Kendall learned from them.

Glenn Keeley never played for the Blues again after his part in that 5-0 derby hiding, once he forced his way in Peter Reid was never left out again – and Kendall discovered a Midas touch in the transfer market with inspired swoops for Kevin Sheedy, Andy Gray, Derek Mountfield, Trevor Steven et al.

Howard Kendall was actually in charge for the first half of that 1993/94 campaign, but he learned from his mistakes.

Can Roberto Martinez learn from his?

I'm not so sure …

One thing's for certain ... this Premier League season has been one to forget.

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....this week. Come back in a couple of weeks time and the critique will be gone or shelved....and obliterated forever if Everton win the cup.

Sorry mate, not having a go at you in particular. I just cant bear fickleness and inconsistency. And i cant stand a lynch mob mentality. - and that's what we have here....unlike last week when it was all Bobby's Brown Shoes...funny that.

Funny that Everton are basically the most fickle and inconsistent team in the league.

People change their opinions based on the facts, that is not being fickle - we have the worst home record in the WHOLE of Europe.

Most people were happy with the win but still scathing about Bobby last week as far as I recall. You are rewriting history and making stuff up.

If you say things often enough it doesn't make them true.
 
nil satis nisi optimum

Still doing a U-Turn on Kenwright now that he supports your man Roberto Dave?

Or just selectively choosing what you like about Kenwright now


That is brilliant. He finally gives credence to what Bill has to say. Irony with a dash of hypocrisy @davek 's salt and pepper of course.

And not only that but just as Bills influence on manager affairs has dramatically increased.
 
The skills to make a top four side generally come with bags of money too. Leicester's season cuts across that, but it is a freak occurrence and represents the exception that proves the rule.

But, leaving aside the skill set argument, how is it that this Everton manager like no other is tasked (under pain of dismissal) with the securing of a CL spot? This is where all reason is left behind. Why does Martinez (a man who's made the best fist of things in terms of a CL type total) have to be found wanting to the point where finishing in a midtable position with a chance of silverware becomes a point of no return for you?

Whenever have you held those exacting standards to any other Everton manager?

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Definitely think if you step away from forums for a few days then it's like none of this is happening. I've seen managers survive much more than a few pundits saying we should be higher up the league.
I was so fed up last January and yet my anger barely made a ripple at boardroom level despite constant rants at my friends. It'll all pan out next season and most of this will be forgotten.
Big thing for me is that even with massive improvement in seasons to come or a completely different manager we may never get a better chance to win a trophy than this for a long time. And it would be great to put all feelings about the manager to one side and get right behind them just to help that happen.
You do realise that posters on forums are real people? We're not just faceless robots who only communicate through GOT.
Everybody who sits around me in the match and everybody in the pub after the game wanted him gone.

This isn't just a few people, mate. In fact, look at the poll, over 1,000 people have voted out. That is a pretty damning verdict in itself.
 
The skills to make a top four side generally come with bags of money too. Leicester's season cuts across that, but it is a freak occurrence and represents the exception that proves the rule.

But, leaving aside the skill set argument, how is it that this Everton manager like no other is tasked (under pain of dismissal) with the securing of a CL spot? This is where all reason is left behind. Why does Martinez (a man who's made the best fist of things in terms of a CL type total) have to be found wanting to the point where finishing in a midtable position with a chance of silverware becomes a point of no return for you?

Whenever have you held those exacting standards to any other Everton manager?

Your fond of quoting the 72 points total Dave, heres another one, with 9 games left we are not even at 40 points yet...

16 home games, 13 away games played and 38 points, absolutely pathethic.
 

Spot on mate. Cooler heads will prevail...which is why earlier I was making the point about industry wide context. Forum fever does not penetrate the citadel of the boardroom, intense and prolonged media criticism does.

Forum opinions, normally won't influence boardroom level decisions. The media influences them to an extent although not as much as you seem to think imo, otherwise wouldn't Man Utd have sacked LVH ages ago?

Forums might reflect more extreme opinions from either side of the coin, but the truth is at the end of the day, the board probably have many of the concerns that many fans do, just they're probably more considered and reasoned than most supporters will be.

I think you're far too confident in your belief that his job is safe, although many people who want him out are jumping the gun in believing he's on the verge of getting sacked imminently. I think if they're concerned about him they'll get rid of him soon after the season has ended. My guess is they probably have mixed views on him at present.
 

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