Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[BlueToff]

Kudos for the analogy...spot on mate

He's not as in this case the team can actually change what happens on the pitch... They're not robots. They can make decisions for themselves.

 

[deipnosophist]

Quite.

So fetching on an extra centre back would have gained us more of the ball

^^^^this. His tactical substitutions are so all over the shop that I hold my head in despair. Only people like Dav-ek understand them...and that lends me miniscule resolve.

 

[kithnou]

Of course you are right my friend. My antagonisms toward a flawed, waaaaay out of his depth manager, are realistic enough to accept that reality.
But I cannot , I just cannot , suffer another season under this under-equipped manager.
I have said on many occasion; he's a snake oil salesman.
I just want shot of him.
He's tainting my love for Everton.

Respectfully, that is a personal issue you need to work on. Nothing, nobody is bigger than Everton.
Roberto Martinez is either on borrowed time for another 6 -12 months, or he delivers and we are all happy.
But Everton remains Everton long after he is gone.

 

[Khalekan]

oh god mate that semi is now giving Martinez an excuse for the next 4 league games - he already kind of hinted at it with his latest interview stating players who don't perform will risk being dropped for Wembley - by inference saying that some players already had their mind on that semi final.

He will throw a few players under the bus over the next 3-4 games i am certain, Baines and Besic being the most likely one to suffer

One the pundits last night, Shearer I think, commented that Evertom played like they had "Wembley on their minds".

I am beginning to think beating Chelsea might have been the mother all Pyrrhic victories.

It seems like the remains league campaign has been written off

 

[deipnosophist]

He's not as in this case the team can actually change what happens on the pitch... They're not robots. They can make decisions for themselves.

errrr...I think you missed the cabin crew/cockpit analogy...read again mate.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Would go for that. Quarter to one is no time to be watching or playing football.

So it was only Everton playing at quarter-to-one then?

They wouldn't have even performed at 8pm from what I seen on Saturday

 

[BlueToff]

One the pundits last night, Shearer I think, commented that Evertom played like they had "Wembley on their minds".

I am beginning to think beating Chelsea might have been the mother all Pyrrhic victories.

It seems like the remains league campaign has been written off

Don't think it was that mate.

It was just a dreadful performance all round.

 

[maccavennie]

Biggest one for me was seeign Jagielka (i think) and Sdtones both go then stop then go then look at each other for the same ball whilst the Arsenal player nearly got in because of it having been 15yards away initially, utter shambles

Also don't know if you saw Lukaku motioning to the bench and waving to ask after the formation change where he was suppoosed to be playing (think about ten mins into the half- now as he looked utterly confused, lack of communication was alarming - and honestly think that Martinez has everything figured in his own head and fails to actually pass it on to the players half the time

Think some players must now be thinking - jesus christ what the hell are we doing now and just facepalming as he does his little merry fm tweaks

Yes and that Jags/Stones situation happened about 3 times in midfield as well. As quiet as a church mouse this squad is

 

[neil999]

Quite.

So fetching on an extra centre back would have gained us more of the ball

possibly yes

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

This is something I am surprised hasn't been much commented on much here over the weekend.

An interview with Rom went out on BT prior to Saturday's game and he came right out and said that "sometimes we pass the ball too much in midfield when we should be hitting it up the pitch......we have had meetings about this" (from memory, not verbatim).
bu Everton's current coaching policy when I played my recording of the game on Saturday night.

Yep, that's pretty much how it went, when I watched it I kinda sat back and went 'BLIMEY...has he just said that'.

I made this point last year, and little has changed, but if you watch ROM during games the amount of times you see him pointing/asking for the ball in certain areas/ havin' a shout etc...it's shocking. And I don't blame (for the most) players for NOT adhering to his 'ask'...they're playing to instruction, that's the problem IMO. The over-passing was a HUGE issue at WIGAN, and the pattern repeats here...and it's not gonna change, same as the defensive frailty.

Grim innit.

 

[deipnosophist]

Respectfully, that is a personal issue you need to work on. Nothing, nobody is bigger than Everton.
Roberto Martinez is either on borrowed time for another 6 -12 months, or he delivers and we are all happy.
But Everton remains Everton long after he is gone.

But this a live-time (or damn near it) forum. Are you saying I should withhold my sentiment for 6-12 months???
This isn't ASS my friend.

 

[BlueToff]

errrr...I think you missed the cabin crew/cockpit analogy...read again mate.

No, RFUS was claiming that it was like the cabin crew giving 100% but the pilot crashing the plane.

It's not like that exactly with football is it.

In that situation the cabin crew could do nothing to affect the end result.

In football they are literally the ones (on the pitch) who affect the end result...

Martinez's faults lie with the simple things but the players are massively underperforming on the whole and they get let off too easy.

 

[royalblue66]

not gonna criticise ferguson as have to figure he works with Lukaku and thats the one thign this season that has seen a notiicable improvement both in the air and hsi first touch - both thigns ferguson had

Like the players not knowing what to do in dead ball situations,I get the impression they just hand out the bibs and lay the cones, even bloody Archie Knox used to show he was interested. like I said will be glad when they are gone.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

As quiet as a church mouse this squad is

The only one on Saturday with any desire to put up a fight was Coleman...

 

[BlueToff]

Yep, that's pretty much how it went, when I watched it I kinda sat back and went 'BLIMEY...has he just said that'.

I made this point last year, and little has changed, but if you watch ROM during games the amount of times you see him pointing/asking for the ball in certain areas/ havin' a shout etc...it's shocking. And I don't blame (for the most) players for NOT adhering to his 'ask'...they're playing to instruction, that's the problem IMO. The over-passing was a HUGE issue at WIGAN, and the pattern repeats here...and it's not gonna change, same as the defensive frailty.

Grim innit.

You can't just blame Martinez though.

The players aren't robots.

If they can't get their heads up and play that simple pass (which they have done this season when we've played well...) then that's on them.

RM's faults lie with how he can't adjust his tactics (or won't do).

He isn't to blame for Barkley deciding not to pass to Lukaku.