Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[orly]

He has the dream when it comes to his job. Paid 20/30k a week to turn up to training. Him and Richard Wright have got it made.

Think about Osman, gets paid huge money to grass - most people usually get witness protection, a new name like "Norman" and a job at B&Q in Skegness

 

[ToffeeDoug]

Tbh he's proven he's got the cup games read extremely well so far (and the EL games last season imo), so let him finish his job with that and move him on..

Allowing him to finish the Cup run could lead us into dangerous territory were we to win it. I can't believe it is the club's approach to allow him the rest of the season and then sack him regardless of how well we do at Wembley. Win the Cup and the club won't sack him but just wipe the season's slate clean and start again next year as if the League season hadn't happened.

Which is why someone at the club needs to make a brave decision (admittedly not likely to happen) and pull the plug on him now and prevent this very scenario from happening!

 

[DrEFC]

Boss that Dave pops in and drops some fume bombs then ducks out. A worthy and cunning adversary. x

 

[davek]

9 games left Dave not 11 - just saying for accuracy

Moyes had taken over a team that for 5 of the 6 previous seasons had been in a relegation dogfight and under serious threat - saved us when he joined in March with us looking absolute certs to go down - which gave him huge credit, then finished 7th which again was a better leage position than we'd had in 7 years, second highest points total we had managed in 15 years, and after that one bad season he responded with our highest ever premiership finish the season after, all with absolutely no money - forced to sell his brightest player in Rooney

martinez had one very good points total in his first season- after taking over a team that routinely had finished for the past 7 years in the same league position 5-7th, he then had a terrible season and finished outside the top half - the first time that had happened in 9 seasons, he then followed that up with what looks likely to be a lower again placed finish, all whilst having inherited a much better squad than the previous manager, having not had to sell anyone and whilst having had a lot more money to spend than did the previous manager

Yes, well I would never deny that Moyes served his purpose when he arrived here. He added much needed discipline and set the ship on a steady enough course (apart from his second season when he had it heading for the rocks with a late collapse). However, let's not put him on a pedestal he hasn't earned. Top half finishes get you nothing. Bottom line was he was here 11 seasons and delivered nothing tangible in terms of success. 11 seasons. A remarkable amount of time for any manager anywhere. A man who was, with Wenger and SAF, one of the most highly paid managers in the PL. He delivered a brand of football that was for the most part underwhelming (and atrocious on many occasions) and he won nothing. Not one thing.

Btw, he wasn't forced to sell Rooney: he absolutely relished the idea of getting a headstrong but crazily talented player out the door (one that he was clueless how to nurture and play) and get the cash back in to spend on journeymen players who could keep our heads above water. He didn't sell Rooney and get no money did he? Go back and look at Everton's spending in total for the first 6 seasons or so Moyes was here before the roof fell in and a firesale was ordered in 2009. The net spend was quite high. He wasn't starved of funds in that period. He wasn't at a major disadvantage with clubs outside of the financially doped elite clubs, he was just bereft of any talent at coaching players to go out and win major games.

You want to compare that drone favourably with Martinez? Ok.

If Moyes had taken over in the same circumstances that martinez had and 3 years in had produced the same RESULTS - then frankly he should and with the new owner would be sacked mate, its called having ambition and being not to blind to see that our manager is out of his depth and lacks the neccesary skill set to manage a club in the top end of the table - in fact to manage any club in this league he isnt good enough.

Martinez is a ideas man, has an idea, sounds good and can talk about it well, but he just isn't able to see it to fruition as he lacks the day to day ability to do so, not his fault, we all have strengths and flaws, but martinez is in a job that those flaws are unnaceptable - he should be sacked and replaced with someone who is more capable,

You see, that part in bold depends on you being able to pass off Martinez's first season here as either an irrelevancy or one that was partly owed to Moyes...both bogus arguments smuggled into the debate and worthy only some well earned scorn. He's a manager without the necessary skills to manage in the top end of the table...yet he got a club...in the top end of the table...with a points tally that usually gets a CL spot.

You can see how ludicrous the proposition is when you just pause and read it back to yourself.

in years to come we may look back at his 3 year reign with thanks for thigns he had put into place that a new manager took forwards and made work, i hpe we do, one thign for certain though - Martinez is not the man to be able to do that - he has shown that all the way throughout his managerial career

Well, I'd say when he does leave (more than likely after seeing his contract out) you will be able to thank Martinez for sure for dragging Everton away from a lamentable direct play brand of Gaelic football/Association Football hybrid which had for too embarrassingly long been allowed to define this club as an archaic and out of touch with the 21st century organisation. I said when Martinez stepped through the door that it fell to him to take back this club from that horrible brand and reintroduce it to its own traditions of keeping and passing the ball, not fearing it like it was a hand-grenade without its pin out. And he's done that and will continue to embed that game - hopefully to a point where anyone succeeding him cant get away with a return to the muck of the near past.

 

[vagant59]

Its 100% true.

I totally agree with you. That is why I don't sit in the Park end

 

[vagant59]

Two cup semis in a year.

Taking us down, be funked.

Moving in the right direction. Look at how strong the PL is this season. A team with a £50m striker is struggling to get into the top 4 FFS.

And a team with a FREE one is sat at the top

 

[DrEFC]

Oh dave. Complaining about posters twisting an argument to suit their agenda against Martinez, then just making stuff up about Moyes. He couldn't wait to sell Rooney to buy journeymen. FFS You've hit pure rock bottom here.
Mocking Moyes' football style, even though it has still, over the first 3 years of both managers tenures (which I feel is a bit harsh to compare) has still yielded a Top 4 finish and a top 7. I bet you'll tell me you'd rather have our style of footy than be in Leicester's shoes at the moment.
*This is not an endorsement of bring Moyes back, just rather we won games*

 

[ilikecheese]

What do you think is the reason for unhappy fans? What came first in your view? The fans suddenly for no reason became hugely negative and the results nosedived? Or a set of fans high from that first season have been worn down by two of the worst seasons in recent history and have now become fed up?

Are you talking about the same biffs that were moaning and groaning after we drew our first three games with him in charge? Yeah...I think you are. Petulant children are less impatient.

 

[Toast]

Think about Osman, gets paid huge money to grass - most people usually get witness protection, a new name like "Norman" and a job at B&Q in Skegness

Remember that snide muzzy he grew ?
When he played for england..

Looked a right grass.

 

[COYBL25]

Wish i got paid what Hibbert does.. for just keeping fit.

Don't forget the fishing too mate !

 

[eddy]

How anyone can defend Martinez is beyond me. His first season he inherited a well drilled defence, and capitilised on this.
Yes he got us playing attractive football but then he got found out. Since then we have been on a steady slide that he cannot address.

He fails to see that the success of `his` first season was down to a well drilled organised defence, his failure to not see this should cost him his job
it is glaringly obvious, our defence is terrible and it was not when he took over, it is so simple to see, acknowledge, and address yet he fails to do this ..... you get sick and tired of pundits, ex players, press, stating a fact ... Martinez cant organise a defence ... never could
I hope Moshiri swings the axe and gets rid of this `babbleing buffoon` sooner rather than later, at least then we can look forward to our new investment and next season

 

[davek]

What, like Leicester being an ale house team? Remember when you said that? the team that are actually going to be in the CL next season and look like lifting the title. Remember how we all told you that it wasn't a flash in the pan, but you wouldn't have it would you?

Just imagine also by the way, if Martinez was actually good enough to get the best out of players, like Ranieri is doing at Leicester, or Moyes did out of some of the poorer sides he had. But he isn't and isn't actually good at much else either.

I take nothing back about what I said about Leicester.

They are a very poor team technically speaking. Their style of play is not to my taste. 100 MPH grafting. Let's have it right, if Chelsea had won the PL in this fashion they'd have been slaughtered for it. Ranieri deserves to be named manager of the century for getting a title challenge out of them. It's unreal how he's whipped 13 or 14 mostly journeymen players to play consistently at this intensity. It's right up there with what Clough did at Forest. Please dont compare what he's done, plaiting sawdust at Leicester, with what Moyes did at Everton. Moyes did nothing of importance at Everton. Nothing.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I take nothing back about what I said about Leicester.

They are a very poor team technically speaking. Their style of play is not to my taste. 100 MPH grafting. Let's have it right, if Chelsea had won the PL in this fashion they'd have been slaughtered for it. Ranieri deserves to be named manager of the century for getting a title challenge out of them. It's unreal how he's whipped 13 or 14 mostly journeymen players to play consistently at this intensity. It's right up there with what Clough did at Forest. Please dont compare what he's done, plaiting sawdust at Leicester, with what Moyes did at Everton. Moyes did nothing of importance at Everton. Nothing.

They did?

Jose is notorious for setting up teams mega defensively and relying on flair players to create, which for me is why he struggled at Real.

?!

 

[ilikecheese]

They did?

Jose is notorious for setting up teams mega defensively and relying on flair players to create, which for me is why he struggled at Real.

?!

Oh how I loved Rodgers' moaning and groaning about Mourinho's double parked bus. lol lol lol

 

[roydo]

If we could keep reasonably on topic folks.

Appreciate that a discussion (sic) about our current manager will inevitably have reference to our former one, but please try not to dwell too long on those exchanges bringing up others. Ta