Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Saint Domingo]

I take nothing back about what I said about Leicester.

They are a very poor team technically speaking. Their style of play is not to my taste. 100 MPH grafting. Let's have it right, if Chelsea had won the PL in this fashion they'd have been slaughtered for it. Ranieri deserves to be named manager of the century for getting a title challenge out of them. It's unreal how he's whipped 13 or 14 mostly journeymen players to play consistently at this intensity. It's right up there with what Clough did at Forest. Please dont compare what he's done, plaiting sawdust at Leicester, with what Moyes did at Everton. Moyes did nothing of importance at Everton. Nothing.

Where to start with that. 'They are a very poor team', by what measure? Kante Vardy Mahrez Fuchs are all class players and would get in most sides in the league. Obviously they have a far superior manager but how can you call a team at the top of the table a very poor team? You may not individually rate their players or style of football but maybe this season will prove that they're not as important as having a competent manager at the helm.

 

[nsno-chris]

Regression from what to what? From a pat on the head to n pat on the head.

You talk like we've slipped away from being a title winning and cup winning team.

Isn't that why we were all asking for investment and bemoaning the glass ceiling?

No consistency. This is what it comes down to all the time.

How is it meaningless when it sets a benchmark for any manager of this club to surpass? And if they do, a CL spot will likely come with it.

That's its importance.

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[davek]

But he is still crap even if you go back 3 seasons ago. If that freak 72 points season was this season youd might have a leg to stand on but you don't.

Ha Ha. A 'freak' season.

That season is obviously like Kryptonite for the truth deniers.

 

[DualityNSNO]

...yes, and so if you're being consistent (that word again) you'd call what leicester offered up mince too.

I never talked about Leicester, just put that out there as it's a counterpoint to yours. Plus they are mince, yet we'd have Mahrez and Kante here in a heartbeat, and Fuchs has performed very well for them as well, to go with "wild card" Vardy?

So seeing as I have your attention now when calling out things, what should happen with Martinez if he fails to win the semi and the cup then? "Progress" again?

 

[davek]

Apart from stopping us being relegated every year .....

Well in Moyesie...no wonder he bigged himself up so much, knowing there'd be fans accepting his own PR exercise that he was achieving miracles keeping little old Everton up.

 

[bluewally]

Regression from what to what? From a pat on the head to n pat on the head.

You talk like we've slipped away from being a title winning and cup winning team.

Isn't that why we were all asking for investment and bemoaning the glass ceiling?

No consistency. This is what it comes down to all the time.

The glass ceiling we bemoaned isn't really be a problem when we're sitting in 12th.

We've slipped away from consistently banging on the ceiling.

We couldn't reach it with a ladder now

 

[Saint Domingo]

You have blinders on if you don't remember the moaning after those first three matches. It was a joke.

At all the games and there wasn't any moaning directed at the manager. He held the backing of the majority of the crowd until Christmas 14/15 when the tide started tu turn. He's done nothing since to turn it back.

 

[lancs blue]

Anyone else feel that this thread is going around in circles. The majority agree the clown needs booting. Lets make it happen - preferably full time wistle after winning fa cup.

 

[PhilM]

No consistency. This is what it comes down to all the time.

A lack of consistency induced under his tenure; others may even argue that such inconsistency is in fact due to his management.

Cup runs are exciting and have the potential to bring much needed silverware over a short period of games, but they can also flatter to deceive.

Martinez showed he had the ability to compete cup competitions while at Wigan, that that coincided with an inability to keep his side in the league.

I'd not begrudge a cup success at all, but it shouldn't be complete mitigating circumstances for a pretty poor showing over thirty-eight matches.

 

[bluewally]

Ha Ha. A 'freak' season.

That season is obviously like Kryptonite for the truth deniers.

1 out of 3 seasons in the top half. That's means it's the exception to the norm. So freak is acceptable

 

[roydo]

How is it meaningless when it sets a benchmark for any manager of this club to surpass? And if they do, a CL spot will likely come with it.

That's its importance.

Be a decent benchmark to set, for sure. Just remain unsure if Martinez has demonstrated he can do it again. Or even get close. Too much evidence to the contrary is stacked up now Dave.

Like the bloke, admire his ambition to play the way we do (at times), but that blind spot is just not going away. Thought it had, last winter, but no. Gave us a fantastic season, a terrific EL adventure, and has delivered some great players.

So for me, with a very heavy heart, it is thanks mate, but it aint working out. The positives he has are holed by the negatives. Shame.

And I would honestly be delighted if this gets vaulted.

 

[orly]

1 out of 3 seasons in the top half. That's means it's the exception to the norm. So freak is acceptable

Actually it's 1 in 7 for El Fraudo, with only one season over 40% wins

 

[BoysInBlue]

Martinez has lost more home games this season than Moyes lost in his last 3 seasons at the club combined!

 

[Mrtallywacker]

Yes, well I would never deny that Moyes served his purpose when he arrived here. He added much needed discipline and set the ship on a steady enough course (apart from his second season when he had it heading for the rocks with a late collapse). However, let's not put him on a pedestal he hasn't earned. Top half finishes get you nothing. Bottom line was he was here 11 seasons and delivered nothing tangible in terms of success. 11 seasons. A remarkable amount of time for any manager anywhere. A man who was, with Wenger and SAF, one of the most highly paid managers in the PL. He delivered a brand of football that was for the most part underwhelming (and atrocious on many occasions) and he won nothing. Not one thing.

This is the crux of judging any football manager. Moyes won nothing, Walter Smith won nothing, Mike Walker won nothing and Roberto Martinez has won nothing. We can talk about football style and argue about 72 points but ultimately this is how history will judge him as Everton manager.

 

[ilikecheese]

I'm trying. By god I am trying! But no matter how much I want to believe in him, how much I want him to succeed and how much I want to just feel naturally positive about the man, I just can't help but feel very worried and ultimately negative about the appointment of Roberto Martinez as manager of Everton Football Club. I know there's an obvious divide in Everton fans' views and opinions of this issue, but what about the man wearing the mask like me. The man who's putting a smile on and forcing himself to look and "feel" excited about Martinez, but deep down knows that something just doesn't fit. I know I'm not the only one wearing that mask of jubilance covering a face of concern, worry and gloominess. Having watched the full appointment of Martinez press conference on YouTube, I think it's blatantly obvious that Kenwright is wearing that mask too. Some say this is a time of promise and future glory, with the players we have, the football Martinez' teams play and the fact that we're taking on a manager who won what Moyesey never could (a trophy!), and I'm happy for those people. Others say this is a huge mistake, with a manager that's never progressed a bottom five team which was finishing higher in the league before he took over and now under his reign got relegated, and I'm happy for those people too. At least you openly know where you stand. But those of you wearing the mask of delight covering up a deep down despair, put your hand up and make yourself known, because I know there's more than just me and Blue Bill.

At all the games and there wasn't any moaning directed at the manager. He held the backing of the majority of the crowd until Christmas 14/15 when the tide started tu turn. He's done nothing since to turn it back.

Actually that is not true...you could hear it.

But let's look at the first post of this thread...that was posted in June of 2013 before a ball was even kicked.

He never had a chance with a large number of the fans...they were just waiting to turn on him at the first sign of trouble.