Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[eddy]

Well in Moyesie...no wonder he bigged himself up so much, knowing there'd be fans accepting his own PR exercise that he was achieving miracles keeping little old Everton up.

Yes but that is what he managed to do with a relatively poor team and a shoestring budget, yet you dismiss this achievement
as "doing nothing" Moyes created stability and I am grateful for that, I suppose alongside many others apart from you Dave, you would of liked us to have been relegated so you could knock Moyes with your rhetoric... that makes little or no sense, to the majority of right minded individuals

 

[bluewally]

Actually it's 1 in 7 for El Fraudo, with only one season over 40% wins

I was going to bring Wigan into it but then realised you don't even need to anymore.

He's done enough here

 

[orly]

This is the crux of judging any football manager. Moyes won nothing, Walter Smith won nothing, Mike Walker won nothing and Roberto Martinez has won nothing. We can talk about football style and argue about 72 points but ultimately this is how history will judge him as Everton manager.

Even a great man who writes everything underpinned by theological certitude has been brought down by El Fraudo

 

[Bobs]

Regression from what to what? From a pat on the head to n pat on the head.

You talk like we've slipped away from being a title winning and cup winning team.

Isn't that why we were all asking for investment and bemoaning the glass ceiling?

No consistency. This is what it comes down to all the time.

Finishing in higher positions in the league is what persuades players that the club is going somewhere. Hence Romelu Lukaku decides to join Everton rather than West Brom. Finishing in the bottom half of the table won´t attract that calibre of player.
As for the glass ceiling you mentioned I´ve seen very few people bemoan it unless you´re referring to the glass ceiling of tenth which we can´t seem to break right now while big spenders Leicester and West Ham battle it out for the champions league places.
Where you finish matters as fans of Wigan would I´m sure agree. As for pats on the head I don´t remember getting even one of those when we got knocked out of the league cup in no uncertain fashion so why keep mentioning it?

 

[JAYTALITY]

[QUOTE="davek, post: 4314785, member: 1745"]I take nothing back about what I said about Leicester.

They are a very poor team technically speaking. Their style of play is not to my taste. 100 MPH grafting. Let's have it right, if Chelsea had won the PL in this fashion they'd have been slaughtered for it. Ranieri deserves to be named manager of the century for getting a title challenge out of them. It's unreal how he's whipped 13 or 14 mostly journeymen players to play consistently at this intensity. It's right up there with what Clough did at Forest. Please dont compare what he's done, plaiting sawdust at Leicester, with what Moyes did at Everton. Moyes did nothing of importance at Everton. Nothing.[/QUOTE]


Are you sure?? Not even the part where you said they'll finish 7th, or even the backpedaling statement of definitely outside the top four?

I don't doubt thier style of play is not to your taste. They are winning games and possibly getting champions league..... And you like Martinez football.

 

[PhilM]

So for me, with a very heavy heart, it is thanks mate, but it aint working out.

Agreed. Just look at the likes of Pearson being removed from Leicester; after the miracle revival he induced everyone thought it was madness.

Then they brought in Ranieri, who was mocked by many, yet with pretty much the same squad of players they've progressed to another level.

Adkins and Pochettino is another example of a manager who had worked well to build a squad being replaced and it eventually turning out better.

Obviously not every removal of a manager will be successful and it shouldn't be a decision made easily, but personally I think Martinez has peaked.

Acknowledge the positives he had made including developing of the squad and our fluid forward play, but say sorry we need some new impetus.

As people have rightly mentioned, a more talented manager may then be able to build on his foundations and move us closer to success.

 

[lancs blue]

Colorado rapids need a new manager. Special two for one deal. A bloke who likes wearing a yellow shirt and one who wears brown shoes. Debatable as to whether they know what theyre doing but dont hold that against them

 

[The Esk]

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Can you try a more meaningful contribution next time, thank you.

 

[Tubey]

Aside from the script of Ghost Dad and 80% of what Matt Damon used to post on here, the last 20 minutes of Davek's posts in this thread have been some of the craziest things I've ever read.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Actually that is not true...you could hear it.

But let's look at the first post of this thread...that was posted in June of 2013 before a ball was even kicked.

He never had a chance with a large number of the fans...they were just waiting to turn on him at the first sign of trouble.

That is one fan expressing doubts (which have turned out to be scarily accurate) about a managerial appointment. It's a huge leap from being a bit nervously unsure to booing your own team three games in. I'm sure there were some fans who have not wanted every single managerial appointment in our history. Others have piped them down with results, Martinez hasn't he's only got himself to blame. Like him though some of his followers want to blame anyone but him and the fans are a great cheap shot, an absolutely cowardly shot in my opinion at what are one of the best patient fan groups in the league.

You say you heard booing on your tv, I went to the games and didn't hear any. We're at an impasse.

 

[lancs blue]

Agreed. Just look at the likes of Pearson being removed from Leicester; after the miracle revival he induced everyone thought it was madness.

Then they brought in Ranieri, who was mocked by many, yet with pretty much the same squad of players they've progressed to another level.

Adkins and Pochettino is another example of a manager who had worked well to build a squad being replaced and it eventually turning out better.

Obviously not every removal of a manager will be successful and it shouldn't be a decision made easily, but personally I think Martinez has peaked.

Acknowledge the positives he had made including developing of the squad and our fluid forward play, but say sorry we need some new impetus.

As people have rightly mentioned, a more talented manager may then be able to build on his foundations and move us closer to success.

is his peak sandhill proportions

 

[PhilM]

is his peak sandhill proportions

More of a termite mound. Maybe that's being unfair as he'd had many positives (as shown by first season); it's just I cannot see that occurring again.

 

[Mrtallywacker]

Even a great man who writes everything underpinned by theological certitude has been brought down by El Fraudo

Psalm 44:21
Would not God discover this? For he knows the secrets of the heart.

 

[maccavennie]

Martinez has lost more home games this season than Moyes lost in his last 3 seasons at the club combined!

That is grim

 

[lancs blue]

That is one fan expressing doubts (which have turned out to be scarily accurate) about a managerial appointment. It's a huge leap from being a bit nervously unsure to booing your own team three games in. I'm sure there were some fans who have not wanted every single managerial appointment in our history. Others have piped them down with results, Martinez hasn't he's only got himself to blame. Like him though some of his followers want to blame anyone but him and the fans are a great cheap shot, an absolutely cowardly shot in my opinion at what are one of the best patient fan groups in the league.

You say you heard booing on your tv, I went to the games and didn't hear any. We're at an impasse.

The booing came from the dugout mate. They wanted the drifters on