Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[The Mighty Quint]

Martinez has lost more home games this season than Moyes lost in his last 3 seasons at the club combined!

Damning stat, the evidence points to Martinez getting 5th, heavily being down to the well drilled talented team Moyes handed him, Martinez when given time has made us worse, there is no denying that, it's there for all to see.

Consistently in and around the top 6 year after year to now this.

 

[matty1878]

We all on here well the majority know what we want. If we keep moaning maybe it will happen lol

 

[eddy]

Aside from the script of Ghost Dad and 80% of what Matt Damon used to post on here, the last 20 minutes of Davek's posts in this thread have been some of the craziest things I've ever read.

I still think he will see the light and stop sitting on the fence and vote out, he seems like a bloke who can admit it when he is wrong

 

[TheFinnFan]

Would be interesting to know if board actually puts pressure on Martinez

 

[lancs blue]

We all on here well the majority know what we want. If we keep moaning maybe it will happen lol

Shame the drifters didnt sing please release me - a personal request from Robertoooo

 

[ilikecheese]

That is one fan expressing doubts (which have turned out to be scarily accurate) about a managerial appointment. It's a huge leap from being a bit nervously unsure to booing your own team three games in. I'm sure there were some fans who have not wanted every single managerial appointment in our history. Others have piped them down with results, Martinez hasn't he's only got himself to blame. Like him though some of his followers want to blame anyone but him and the fans are a great cheap shot, an absolutely cowardly shot in my opinion at what are one of the best patient fan groups in the league.

You say you heard booing on your tv, I went to the games and didn't hear any. We're at an impasse.

Never said I heard booing after those three games...but the groaning was very apparent.

Cowardly shot? There has been 'supporters' who have never supported the manager mate...you can't deny that.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Damning stat, the evidence points to Martinez getting 5th, heavily being down to the well drilled talented team Moyes handed him, Martinez when given time has made us worse, there is no denying that, it's there for all to see.

Consistently in and around the top 6 year after year to now this.

Martinez's biggest mistake was not recognising the contributions of Pienaar and Osman in that first season. The control and creativity they provided was exactly what was needed to make a very decent system work well. For some reason though he lost the plot and was soon playing Etoo and Naismith or Kone and Cleverley on the wings.

 

[matty1878]

Shame the drifters didnt sing please release me - a personal request from Robertoooo

Ha ha indeed mate

 

[JAYTALITY]

Ha Ha. A 'freak' season.

That season is obviously like Kryptonite for the truth deniers.

I knew that would work, this the part where I tell you about you writing Leicester off as a freak season on numerous occasions, wether you disagree about Martinez being lucky to have a drilled Everton defence in place or not, it's just as strong a case as anything you can say about Leicester having a freak season.

But of course your Mr 'have your cake and eat it' so you'll think of something.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Never said I heard booing after those three games...but the groaning was very apparent.

Cowardly shot? There has been 'supporters' who have never supported the manager mate...you can't deny that.

Of course there might be a few, there are at every club, but influencing a 38k crowd at Goodison? No chance. Martinez cannot blame the crowd for what has happened the last 2 years. The blame is his.

 

[Mrtallywacker]

8 home defeats this season, Villa have lost nine at home scary times ahead if Mr Martinez stays.

 

[ilikecheese]

Of course there might be a few, there are at every club, but influencing a 38k crowd at Goodison? No chance. Martinez cannot blame the crowd for what has happened the last 2 years. The blame is his.

Oh hello!

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/everton-v-west-brom-sat-24th-aug-15-00.59502/page-47

Have a read...after the third draw in a row.

Nobody is blaming the crowd btw...I made that very clear last night. They are currently contributing to the problem at home though.

 

[lancs blue]

Never said I heard booing after those three games...but the groaning was very apparent.

Cowardly shot? There has been 'supporters' who have never supported the manager mate...you can't deny that.

Groaning is an offence now. They might be talking about a dodgy kebab. Jeeze that £500 season ticket would have bought a 46 inch 3d plasma tv

 

[davek]

Martinez has managed for 7 years and all he has to show for it is one 5th placed trophy, a fa cup bought at the expense of relagting the team into obscuity and the lower reaches of the english leagues, was moyes alowed to stay on way past his time - yup as you know i wanted him out for a long long time before he finally left, but two wrongs don't make a wright mate, can't criticise the board for not moving moyes out the club - then use the exact same argument that because they gave a manager too much time then they should give the next one also mtoo mcuh time, as for Moyes wages - errm you see what Martinez earns per year mate? Hardly peanuts - and far more than a man whose last action before coming here was relegating a team deserves.

As for Moyes being on a pedestal - when he took over most Evertonians thought it was a matter of when not if we where going to be relegated mate, he banished all that for good - even that one shakey season he had - we where never in any danger of going down - and you know that, Martinez had us more scared last season of relagation than moyes ever did.

I love the take on Martinez's career: 72 points = Moyes was responsible; FA Cup win = he killed a football club to do it. Have you ever thought your argument would benefit from giving the man some well earned credit? Just a thought.

As for Moyes' time here: who is arguing that Martinez should have an indefinite period set aside for him? I've argued he has a contract for 5 seasons and should be allowed to get on with it. No more than that. Back him and leave the man to get on with it. The only way that should be called time on early is if we were in imminent danger. As it is we're not and we're in a decent position to snatch a trophy. And who apart from a a few panickers thought we'd be relegated last season? It's an absurd claim.

he had 27m net spend in those first 6 years, after the fire sale as you put it though here is the remarkable thing mate - we stayed at the same level in terms of league performance and improved in the cup overall, Martinez when asked to cut wages at Wigan got them relegated - se the difference? - journeyman players who earned this club their best ever league position finish and became one of only two teams in a long time to crack the monopoly of the CL regulars - yeah terrible manager, hmm bereft at talent at winning games - did he ever win just 4 games at home all season Dave? did he ever lose 8 games at home? stop talking utter bobbins

Of course we stayed at the same level: he was an experienced manager with a squad that knew the ropes in the PL from previous campaigns and he sacrificed only Rodwell and Arteta of any note to make up the cost cutting. Why would there be a big drop off?

And, btw, this was at a time when competition from below was not what it is today as a result of all teams being massively bankrolled now.

He has managed one good defensive season in 7 years of managing in the top flight, he has managed one good season in 7 years of managing in the top flight, the same season and the one that followed taking over from a very good defensive and fitness orientated manager - but yes ofc that is pure coincidence, the real martinez is that years one - not the the one based on his other 6 years performances.
Further proof - the further we are getting away from the squad Moyes left behind and the more this is becoming truly Martinez team then we are seeing the results, cup run and crap in the league, open attacking football but no defense
1 good year in seven - if he was a boxer mate he'd be a journeyman with that record

I'm not arsed about 7 seasons. He hasn't been here at Everton 7 seasons. You may as well put Swansea's figures in too, it's about as relevant.

If you think the type of football we are playing now could lift a candle to the 80's brand Dave then your lying, most fans going to the game are absolutely bored to tears with the way we are playing and as for not playing with fear - did you miss Martinez admitting that the players at home are playing with fear? LOL

Of course they're not as consistent or as accomplished as the 80s Everton team. That wasn't the claim though was it? He's attempted to take us in a different direction to the muck served up previously masquerading as football and Everton have been complimented on their style hundreds of times this season for playing expansive football and scoring more goals from open play than any other club. Is your assessment of this manager that warped by bias that you cant eevn acknowledge what the vast majority of football fans would concede?

 

[ilikecheese]

Groaning is an offence now. They might be talking about a dodgy kebab. Jeeze that £500 season ticket would have bought a 46 inch 3d plasma tv

It certainly showed that after three games we have a load of 'supporters' who have absolutely nil patience. Strange how Moyes was given such a long leash by our supporters yet this guy was wanted out immediately by some.