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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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Yeah. Moaning is part of the experience but loads can remember how soulless it's been in the past I reckon and prefer the frustration.
Despite the hysteria from some I suspect the majority really do buy into what the club is looking to do. A huge chunk might be very skeptical about whether Martinez will be the one to bring success with it but expectation has been raised.
The results at home will be better next season as we are dominating games and this side will be more mature so we are a long way from any sort of crisis. Whether we could do even better under a different manager is another matter and a gamble. For now I think the board don't want to change direction and fans are turning up so I think he's here till either the squad loses faith or a manager who's likely to buy into long term aims and is a safer bet becomes available.

We as fans are obviously frustrated and that frustration can transfer itself on to the pitch and it can effect the players. The Goodison crowd many many times have been like a 12th man. Bayern at home, springs to mind, when 1-0 down at half time the crowd were determined to 'suck the ball into the Gwladys street goal'. The Chelsea quarter final the other week. The crowd played its part no end and this lifted the players. Just as the 'get behind the team' lifts them then the moans and groans can deflate them, which is par for the course when a team isn't doing as well as it should be. It wont be the first time a team has found it difficult to play at home and are 'nervous' and it wont be the last.

Supporters have every right to moan and groan when things aren't going well. Goodison park is not toxic at the moment and neither are those same supporters on the whole 'toxic' towards Martinez.

Attendances will fluctuate as the team's fortunes fluctuate. From Moyes last season, Martinez's team has put 2 000 on the gate. This season the sell out signs are much more common now than they have been for many a year. Evertonians want to turn up and see this team. Why? If there is a feeling that not all is well and Martinez has 'lost the supporters' then why are we still going through the turnstiles? The opposite would be the case. I've got a season pass at Hull KR and the attendances are falling because the team isn't doing too good. That is the natural response of supporters.

Attendances have gone up so much that attending a certain amount of games will not get you a ticket for the semi final. Unlike the last 2 semi finals when you could get one if you had attended 3 or more. We have record numbers of season tickets. We must be a very odd bunch of supporters to buck the trend of attending games when our team isn't doing well. We are turning up. And we are not doing a mass walk out at half time or near the end, even though there were more than usual left early on Saturday.

Our home form isn't good enough. Which goes without saying really. Those 38 000 that are turning up want to see us win games and we are not doing it. Why? Those same players go away from home and don't look nervous and can play and we are always in the game. So why are we not doing better at home?

At home we have conceded the most goals of all the top 5 leagues. Away from home only 5 teams have conceded less in the top 5 leagues.

The way teams are set up and the way they play is changing. High energy, pressing and counter attacking is what is bring results. Leicester and Spurs are the best at this. And neither of their achievements, so far, should be sniffed at and pooh poohed. Both managers are bucking the trend that had developed of possession based football. It is not that possession isn't important it is where you have that possession and what you do with it. Leicester and Spurs get it forward quicker than most as do Liverpool. The former 2 have been more successful because they leave 4 back most of the time as do Arsenal.

This season there have been less home wins than usual. Counter attacking football is the order of the day and we are good at it away from home. As was Martinez's Wigan when they humiliated us at Goodison in the quarter finals.

Martinez has raised those expectations and we as supporters have responded by turn up. A few tweaks here and there. Keeping 4 back for instance with only 1 full back bombing on. And finding a starting spot for Delofeu would help.
 
If anyone hasn't seen it:

Roberto Martinez home wins since 2010
10/11 4 wins
11/12 5 wins
12/13 4 wins (relegated)
13/14 13 wins
14/15 7 wins
15/16 4 wins
 
The majority don't believe Martinez is the man

Also expectation has been lowered. We are expected to think that 12th is ok now.
Bobby has managed our expectations for a great season downward from champions league qualification to 12th and a cup semi final.

So the fans should just accept the losses and shut up?

Championship here we come with that attitude
Repeating your other posts again won't work especially as your quotes are largely irrelevant to what I said.
I'll pick up on one though. If expectations have been lowered then why would there be any dissent at currently lying twelfth?
It's just becoming a buzzing noise to be honest.
 
Not sure they didn't try exactly. Was low key but it seemed more like they were strangers.
Had a bad feeling before the game. Don't know what it was. Possible a come down from Chelsea. Think we may be reading too much into it because it wasn't this season's pattern. That kind of performance has been commonplace in the past though. You might even get away with it with some teams but Arsenal are the type who smell blood.
I'd also be very surprised if anyone on the board would disrupt the squad by revealing anything while there's a semi final on the horizon.
League is a dead duck though. Cup is still there and even the players would still get up for that.
Don't think it would disrupt it that much.
Another cup on his CV whilst looking for another club would appeal to him greatly. Can see him at Valencia next season though.
 

League is a dead duck though. Cup is still there and even the players would still get up for that.
Don't think it would disrupt it that much.
Another cup on his CV whilst looking for another club would appeal to him greatly. Can see him at Valencia next season though.

Nar, back to the Championship for the fraud I suspect.
 

Yeah. Moaning is part of the experience but loads can remember how soulless it's been in the past I reckon and prefer the frustration.
Despite the hysteria from some I suspect the majority really do buy into what the club is looking to do. A huge chunk might be very skeptical about whether Martinez will be the one to bring success with it but expectation has been raised.
The results at home will be better next season as we are dominating games and this side will be more mature so we are a long way from any sort of crisis. Whether we could do even better under a different manager is another matter and a gamble. For now I think the board don't want to change direction and fans are turning up so I think he's here till either the squad loses faith or a manager who's likely to buy into long term aims and is a safer bet becomes available.
I'd love to have your faith. How do you think it will happen? Moshiri will enable him to go on a massive spending spree? I think we'll only get better if he actually reassesses his tactics.
 

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