Harsh... I would say it's more along the lines of Martinez being utterly delusional; he simply cannot see the reoccurring errors in our approach.
Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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How can people be happy with the guy? He's dragged us into midtable and with it having the pee taken out of us from clubs like West Ham and Stoke, even more so them pipping us to players who would have chosen us 9 times out of 10 in years gone buy.
Get rid before mediocrity becomes the norm and we become another Villa.
Get rid before mediocrity becomes the norm and we become another Villa.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
When Martinez is winning titles and getting top 4 every season he can have as long as he wants.
There is but you're forgetting that Davek's also called some Evertonians divvies and knob-heads in this thread!
...don't necessarily agree with the final para about needing 'most of all some fire and a booming voice'. What we need most is a tactically astute manager who has buy-in from the players and makes wins happen. You don't need to be in your face to deliver you just have to be good at what you do.
They won 7, drew 1 and lost 1 of the last 9. The one they lost was to Chelsea. They showed a level of consistency that has eluded Martinez for 2 years. So from that point of view I think we are miles off making a large jump up the league next season.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
What's not to like about a piece like that? It was constructive and rolled out a critique.
I'd just counter it with a few points: the missing player Brownie spends much of his time alluding to there: isn't blindingly obvious that he's missed out the tracking of Yarmolenko in that commentary? It's not like Martinez has stood there scratching his bollocks wondering whether to play Cleverley rather then Kone. He sees the type of quicksilver presence we require. Also left out from the critique on that score was Tarashaj's purchase - a player who can drift in from wide and open up in the final third: a creative force who can play between the lines. It's not like the demise of Pienaar has been allowed to take place without thought to his succession.
Second point: style of play. I think the style of play is right in front of your eyes - hiding in plain sight: it's a counter attacking game. We play a counter attacking style for the bulk of the time and only get on the ball for long spells through necessity when the turgid teams roll up at Goodison (at which point we need that quicksilver player to make an impact and help get our noses in front and then we have a team forced to come out). I dont understand how there can be any confusion over that.
Third point: direction and leadership. It's a fair enough point because the undulations in results have been going on too long. But the performances for the vast amount of the season have been very good and worthy of much more than we've got back in terms of points. It's way more consistent than last season. The Arsenal game was mentioned to proffer a general view that we've lost direction, but that was atypical of the season as a whole. Yes, leadership is lacking...but lacking within the team. It's a massive concern that these players have no heart, no determination to roll their sleeves up in adversity. That requires the expulsion of some players and the bringing in of players with those qualities.
I'd just counter it with a few points: the missing player Brownie spends much of his time alluding to there: isn't blindingly obvious that he's missed out the tracking of Yarmolenko in that commentary? It's not like Martinez has stood there scratching his bollocks wondering whether to play Cleverley rather then Kone. He sees the type of quicksilver presence we require. Also left out from the critique on that score was Tarashaj's purchase - a player who can drift in from wide and open up in the final third: a creative force who can play between the lines. It's not like the demise of Pienaar has been allowed to take place without thought to his succession.
Second point: style of play. I think the style of play is right in front of your eyes - hiding in plain sight: it's a counter attacking game. We play a counter attacking style for the bulk of the time and only get on the ball for long spells through necessity when the turgid teams roll up at Goodison (at which point we need that quicksilver player to make an impact and help get our noses in front and then we have a team forced to come out). I dont understand how there can be any confusion over that.
Third point: direction and leadership. It's a fair enough point because the undulations in results have been going on too long. But the performances for the vast amount of the season have been very good and worthy of much more than we've got back in terms of points. It's way more consistent than last season. The Arsenal game was mentioned to proffer a general view that we've lost direction, but that was atypical of the season as a whole. Yes, leadership is lacking...but lacking within the team. It's a massive concern that these players have no heart, no determination to roll their sleeves up in adversity. That requires the expulsion of some players and the bringing in of players with those qualities.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
And what standards do you think an Everton manager has to maintain in order not to be dismissed? You have the floor. Enlighten me.
Is that not how Leicester play ?
Kiwi
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TheFinnFan
Finners
Please Bobby, turn this around.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...I noticed he'd bought shares. Yeah. So what? My question was 'what has he done?'. What has he done to back this manager to justify him determining his career ends at Everton?
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
What?
I hadn't noticed that. Completely unfair IMO.
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