Seriously, I suppose a lot of what's discussed in this thread and the hypothetical replacement thread, is dependant on Moshiri's thoughts and if he is willing to let Martinez have a wedge and take a punt.
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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I know. But I was addressing the charge that this manager didn't have the acumen for that type of victory. The evidence is there he has.
Agree with this. Not many are banging on about CL or out.
60 points was my target. 1.6 points a game. At the moment we are at 1.3.
Cups or no cups 60 points is a fair target. 72/47 in 1st 2 seasons so the real Bobby being in between I would have taken.
Just feel a cup win will paper over the cracks.
Why cant we expect it?
Have you forgotten our 5th place? We only needed to improve 1 place, also im not sure if your aware, but he got 72 points in that season, maybe you missed that? So why cant we repeat that? Honest question, why is it unreasonable to expect somebody to at least finish close to a points total they have already achieved?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
If we win a cup, who's arsed.
On the other hand, is it not logical to expect that, after finishing 5th and spending £28m on a striker, we should go onto 4th?
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Picking out individual performances is non-sensical when the overall picture is so much grimmer.
For example und HK part 3 we beat Liverpool 2-0 and drew away 1-1 we came back against Arsenal (that years champions) from 2 down to draw 2-2 and we beat Chelsea 3-1, we nearly and probably should've been relegated that season with a terrible team.
09/10 we beat Chelsea and UTD in back to back home games both times coming from a goal behind.
These are just example how anyone can look at little individual thing to prove a point, the bigger issue is the bigger picture and if our picture could be titled it would be called 'Mediocre at best'
For example und HK part 3 we beat Liverpool 2-0 and drew away 1-1 we came back against Arsenal (that years champions) from 2 down to draw 2-2 and we beat Chelsea 3-1, we nearly and probably should've been relegated that season with a terrible team.
09/10 we beat Chelsea and UTD in back to back home games both times coming from a goal behind.
These are just example how anyone can look at little individual thing to prove a point, the bigger issue is the bigger picture and if our picture could be titled it would be called 'Mediocre at best'
bcblue1878
Player Valuation: £50m
I promised myself I wouldn't do this again but here goes!
Presumably you mean crumbled in the sense of 2-0 up at home against West Ham and crumbled with 15 minutes to go, after one of the most bizarre substitutions seen at Goodison for a while when Niasse came on for Aaaron Lennon, and yes I know Rom missed the penalty? Or do you mean crumbled as in - didn't even bother to turn up against Arsenal on Saturday, then just as an example - when 2-0 down get a free kick 15 yards into Arsenal's half and pass the ball backwards? Or is it crumbled as in the number of points dropped from winning positions this season, the number of which, apologies but, I've now lost count
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Still down to BK, imo. I dont see a transference of team affairs to a feller with his feet barely under the table.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
'every season' was the demand.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Fair point. If he wins the cup no one will care about the league position this season. Next season is another case.
In the history books I agree.
But will we not need CL to keep the best players long term? One FA Cup won't give us that unless we win the following EL. That's a bit of a long shot to bank on.
To be clear, that doesn't mean I want to neglect the FA Cup. I want a win.
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