Has this irrational loud minority fume still not ended?
is that the 30 something% minority fume or the 60 something% fume...I've lost count, are you a plotter, acolyte or fence sitter
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Has this irrational loud minority fume still not ended?
^^^ a comparative study worth continuing whenever Hughes notches up 72 points in the PL or ever actually wins anything.
Keep rocking side to side and comforting yourself with that mantra mate. The outcome you seek isn't remotely on the horizon.
Your point only makes sense if we have the same financial backing in the future as we've had under Moyes and Martinez. But we wont, we'll have more. And that means neither you or I have any idea what Martinez can do with more cash.No David, I am saying if we wish to compete at the highest levels we can only do so by improving our management and coaching resources. Moyes could never do it (we both agree there) and Martinez is even less capable of doing it in a more competitive environment. Thus he regrettably has to go.
Unless we are happy to remain also rans ?
Been saying it all season mate that we need to play with a flatter back four. We stumbled into that early in the season through injury when we had Galloway and browning in the FB berths. Browning was injured and Galloway unjustifiably dropped for the outrageously over rated Baines. Then a couple of months back we again played flatter with Oviedo in there aft Baines was injured. The defence was much sounder. Oviedo then gets injured and we're back to the wingback problem again.
I think Martinez gets the message, but injuries are allowing only periodic corrections to the problem.
Oh, so his Wigan record is off the table now? I get confused as to when it's allowed and when it isn't.Whats bobby won at Everton?
72 points is irrelevant. 5th is the same as 15th
R Martinez totally lacks the nous to be at the managerial level he currently enjoys. He is very slowly (too slowly) 'learning on the job'. I am possibly less kind toward him as regards his future. I see him as a brown-nosing, glad-handing shill to the inept Board that hired him.This is the interesting point I believe. I actually think we are further away from consistently competing for a CL place than we were under much of Moyes' reign.
On the one hand we have a better first team squad, yet we do not have a management team capable of taking this squad and making us genuine competitors.
Now there's an argument that CL qualification is getting increasingly more difficult with more "monied" clubs plus a number of other clubs now benefiting from the increase in broadcasting revenues. I actually subscribe to this argument. However the impact of such is that in order to compete we not only need an enhanced squad, we actually need better coaches and management.
Thus Martinez has proven himself to be unable to compete in the PL for nigh on 24 months, yet in the future the competition levels are only going to increase. If he cannot not compete now, how can he compete in a more competitive environment?
This is why he needs to be released the moment Moshiri identifies and attracts a suitable replacement, an individual and coaching team capable of competing in the future.
I wish Martinez well, it would be fantastic if he can sign off with a FA Cup win, but he's not the man to take us forward into an even tougher environment than the one he is currently struggling in.
I agree, and I've not wavered on this, that I'd love the FA Cup. The cup, his second, would represent a decent cup manager....so what would winning our first trophy for 21 years represent then?
Considering your case and point of Martinez 'winning something' resulted in relegation at the same time, kinda takes the shine off the achievement mate.^^^ a comparative study worth continuing whenever Hughes notches up 72 points in the PL or ever actually wins anything.
If we look around the managers currently in the Premier League though who is displaying a clear ability to guarantee they do regularly compete without seemingly endless resources.No David, I am saying if we wish to compete at the highest levels we can only do so by improving our management and coaching resources. Moyes could never do it (we both agree there) and Martinez is even less capable of doing it in a more competitive environment. Thus he regrettably has to go.
Unless we are happy to remain also rans ?
"...you do know what relatively means, dont you?
Im fairly sure the comparison was between Hughes at Stoke and Martinez at EvertonOh, so his Wigan record is off the table now? I get confused as to when it's allowed and when it isn't.
In fact mate, you know a manager who Martinez is comparable to?Oh, so his Wigan record is off the table now? I get confused as to when it's allowed and when it isn't.