Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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Jreverton1
Player Valuation: £15m
Why not both?
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Who remembers where we finished in 99/00?No, Dave is right on this occasion.
Who remembers where we finished in the league in 1966, 1984 or 1995?
None but the uber anoraks among us.
Indeed, who even cares?
Even less people, I'll be bound.
But what does every bugger in Evertonia remember about those three years?
Why, Eddie Kavanagh, Elton John and The Farm
FTR.....we finished 12th, 7th and 15th respectively.
Better yet, the league form and final placings improved dramatically the season after the boost of winning the Cup.
Precedent suggests an F.A. Cup victory is a shot in the arm for EFC.
So I won't be fretting over our final league position this season if we wind up running round Wembley with the Cup
Because I know few will remember it and even less will care.
COYB
It's a nothing point, we need to talk about the here and now, about thousands of Evertonians walking out of Goodison gutted every other week. We lost 4-0 to Liverpool in 13/14, hurt like hell at the time, not really bothered now.
We'll always remember trophy victories, as time passes all seasons are forgotten to a point, fact is the here and now is crap, below standard, below expectation and quite simply not good enough.
Because we finished 16th and won a cup in 95' means nothing without digging deeper. Mike walker provided Everton with their worst start to a PL campaign Ever. My first time in the new Park end was against West Ham, a night game we got our first win at the 14th time of trying, Gary Ablett with the winner, following week we drew 0-0 at Norwich few days later he was gone and Rotle was in, because Everton acted. Royle's form in the last 23 games was European qualification standard AND we won the cup.
To dismiss a whole season because we MAY win a cup is crazy talk.
But to qualify my own point, in 3 years time, I probably won't be arsed about this season anymore.
He's not up to standard, let's not forget everything because up to now, and with no disrespect we have beaten Chelsea to get to a cup Semi and no one else. It's a one game cup run.
09 was a proper cup run and for the most part playing Cahill and Felliani up front.
Villa and Liverpool both dispatched before the QF.
This cup run has only just begun.
Carlito
Player Valuation: £40m
The only serious issue is the relationship between the fans and Barkley (now that Howard has been done away with). I don't understand why, but a lot of people just do not like him.
Overall, I think the crowd have lost faith in the manager's methods, but that could easily be turned around with results. He's backed himself into a corner with the rhetoric he's been feeding us for three years, so now the onus is on him to convince people there's substance to back up what he's saying.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Yes. Why cant this team have both a cup run and compete in the league? Why is it one or the other?
Imagine pissing and moaning at a boss young player like Barkley. SMFH.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Brilliant analysis there, except for one thing - something I'd have expected a tactical genius to remember, btw - in Martinez's first season here (you know, the one that you lament our regression from) we played with a conventional CB pairing and Barry slotting in between them and tasked with carrying out the ball for the bulk of the time.
We dont need a CB who isn't a CB. I told you from the season before last Stones wasn't a defender in a million years and he proved it in spades this season (although I dont remember you too often springing to his defence - funny that, maybe it slipped your mind).
"You said we need 4 CBs". Has it come to this that you have to invent a position for me to knock down? Laughable.
You do know a lot about eastern European players though. And I will continue to read your thoughts on them.
The atmosphere at home will only change once Martinez is hooked. He's lost the support of the fans imo and even if he wins a cup the season after sat in midtable with only 3 home wins will lose him any of that possible won support.
End of the day football is a results business and no matter if he wins a cup once every 15 seasons he'll be crucified for cronically underachieving in those other 14, that's why he needs to go.
End of the day football is a results business and no matter if he wins a cup once every 15 seasons he'll be crucified for cronically underachieving in those other 14, that's why he needs to go.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Unfortunately Dave it's not the first time I have used that. It's not the first time you've acknowledged that I have used it but..... It is the first time you've used sarcasm as your reasoning.
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
Adams
Connor
Mel
Kean
Adkins
Solskjear
Meulensteen
It depends on the sort of manager you get, and where you are in the league and whether what you have in terms of personnel, and the finances you have, match the vision of the manager and if the players can adapt swiftly that vision.
Professor Toffee
On and on, over the hill and the craic is good
Wrong flag, he's a Catalan
Carlito
Player Valuation: £40m
The only explanation I've come up with is that he seems to be the one who sees the ball the most in games where they're struggling to break a team down, and so ends up catching the ire of frustrated fans.
It's a shame, because he's probably been the best performer overall this season.
Blues Harp
Player Valuation: £60m
I would perhaps agree with you there and I cannot understand myself why this is - from where I sit it (U Bullens) has been ok this season and I haven't heard many moans about him - anyone else in other areas of the ground noticed this as an issue ?
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