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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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Dymak said:
I'm loathe to do this, as I'm more than capable of dealing with a few words written on the internet, and I don't feel the need to go crying to forum moderators. But why don't you have a look at the comments that preceded my comments?

He intervened in a conversation between me and another user just to have a whinging, snivelling dig about a comment I made two years ago. One which he is totally obsessed with and won't stop crying about. Not only was his comment off-topic, but it was also personal.

Then he thinks he has the right to call half the forum a 'melt'. I responded to this by rightfully informing him that it is actually him who is the massive chicken BBQ melt! And yet I'm the one who gets told to pack it in!
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You've just been given a polite warning and you react like this.

You need to chill out and pack the personal abuse in please.
 
davek said:
Unity comes with victory. You saw that after we swept Chelsea aside in the QFs. Unity is always a big win away. That's the fact of the matter.

If we get to the final and have our shot at a cup in May the balance tips right back again.

There's nothing like success.
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I'd love nothing more then to win the fa cup. But I'm sorry our league form (in particular the home form) shouldn't be swept under the carpet.
 
balggy said:
I personally don't remember the fan base being so bitterly divided over Moyes. I know you lost faith in Moyes and that he had many critics at the club but I can't remember polls consistently suggesting the fan base wanted him out. The moderate Evertonians I know, who don't post on forums have lost faith and want a change. These are fans who never got close to that point under Moyes.

I'm sure that fan forums express the extreme in opinion. But like I said, in the pub, in the ground I don't encounter blues who support Martinez.

I usually sit in the upper Gwladys Street but against Chelsea I was in the lower. At half time two fairly bevied blues were saying bring in Benitez ( I completely disagree with them on that point). Then against Arensal I'm back in my normal seat and at half time all I could hear was Everonians calling for his head. When I was walking out the ground the attitude to Martinez was full on toxic.

If we win the cup I'm sure the volume of criticism will be lowered but right now the locals are very restless and with good reason.
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That's because Martinez came in and changed the culture of the club around to one of open play and taking chances from the safe but dull Moyes era. Many blues lost their security blanket and never stopped whinging about it. Only fantastic results could ever quieten that lot down. Bang average PL results cant do that (never mind if some of the quality of Martinez's teams play when they get it right is easily the best we've seen since the HKI era). They'd never be pacified. Hence we have a referendum on martinez even since mid second season (not even that, in the autumn of that second season the divvy polls started sprouting up). THAT was ridiculous and unfair. Imagine what the poll result would have been, btw if we'd had one back in the day when Moyes had us 17th in the league...it'd have been almost 100% he had to go.

It's simple for me:

he's proven he can put together a very good league campaign; he's demonstrating now that he retains his ability to mount cup campaigns; he's put together the makings of a great squad - and cash now will be well invested.

I'm not particularly arsed what the hoofball nostalgia brigade want to happen. They wont find an echo chamber in the club's boardroom as they do on here. That is the determining factor here.
 

oldblue said:
Very interested to see what happens if we do win it. Can't imagine we've been in a position like this before were people have nailed their opinions down so openly before events. Can't believe many will choose to moderate any emotional response just because of what's been stated. Who knows though.
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I really don't want him anywhere near the squad come August. But, if he wins the cup, I can't see him losing his job.

If we win it, I see the scenario being like Chelsea with Di Matteo or Rodgers after last season. He will keep his job but with the challenge of vastly improving the league form. If he fails to turn the league form around by a certain date, he will probably suffer the same fate as Rodgers and Di Matteo.
 
Dymak said:
But so far, Moyes has attracted better to Everton, at a time when we were skint. I will be very surprised if Mori reaches the hights of Lescott; that's attracting the attention of the richest club in the world and winning leagues and cups with them. Besic and Deulofeu have got miles to go until they reach the standards of Arteta, Cahill and Fellaini. Deulofeu can't even get a game and has been benched by the two clubs he has played for. You are kidding yourself that they are massive names that Bobby Martinez and Bobby Martinez only can attract.

I will make this point about both managers, the players weren't signing for Moyes or Martinez FC. They were signing for Everton Football Club. Martinez is not paying their wages, Everton are. The idea that Martinez has some golden touch in attracting top tier players is just not true. He has done OK, nothing more.
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I think the main difference is though that players have come out and said they have signed because of martinez. But im struggling to think of any that said they had signed because of moyes.

Difference is 11 years compared to 2.5 years...massive difference in quality signed already.
 
Dymak said:
I'm loathe to do this, as I'm more than capable of dealing with a few words written on the internet, and I don't feel the need to go crying to forum moderators. But why don't you have a look at the comments that preceded my comments?

He intervened in a conversation between me and another user just to have a whinging, snivelling dig about a comment I made two years ago. One which he is totally obsessed with and won't stop crying about. Not only was his comment off-topic, but it was also personal.

Then he thinks he has the right to call half the forum a 'melt'. I responded to this by rightfully informing him that it is actually him who is the massive chicken BBQ melt! And yet I'm the one who gets told to pack it in!
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@roydo asked you to stop. You have not.

His instruction is not up for debate. Threadbanned.
 

nsno-chris said:
If Martinez is considered "proven" because of 1 season then does that mean Brenda Rodgers is proven at "mounting a challenge" for the league because of 1 season.

The madness
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And Mike walker at Norwich.
Yikes

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