Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[oldblue]

I really don't want him anywhere near the squad come August. But, if he wins the cup, I can't see him losing his job.

If we win it, I see the scenario being like Chelsea with Di Matteo or Rodgers after last season. He will keep his job but with the challenge of vastly improving the league form. If he fails to turn the league form around by a certain date, he will probably suffer the same fate as Rodgers and Di Matteo.

Not sure I'd agree that was the situation with those two managers so much as they were aware someone was available that they felt fitted the profile better. I can also see them introducing somebody in without moving Martinez on.
Don't actually think they'll be basing this on the cup.

 

[sd_1992]

We either sack martinez this summer or he is with us for the whole of next season... the same crap about managers not being available mid season will be next seasons reason not to get shut when we are bottom half.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Only fantastic results could ever quieten that lot down

I think you'll find you're once again overreacting.

Most of the anti-martinez legions would regard it as acceptable to be competing at the top third of the table; beating sides like bournemouth, watford, stoke, bromwich, west ham with regularity.

That means NOT getting beat at home by them, or throwing away two goal advantages in some of them to lose points with alarming regularity.

Doesn't have to be these 'fantastic results' as you put it. It's about being better with what we've got. We really ought to be, but we're actually worse, with little signs of any problem being remedied soon.

 

[balggy]

That's because Martinez came in and changed the culture of the club around to one of open play and taking chances from the safe but dull Moyes era. Many blues lost their security blanket and never stopped whinging about it. Only fantastic results could ever quieten that lot down. Bang average PL results cant do that (never mind if some of the quality of Martinez's teams play when they get it right is easily the best we've seen since the HKI era). They'd never be pacified. Hence we have a referendum on martinez even since mid second season (not even that, in the autumn of that second season the divvy polls started sprouting up). THAT was ridiculous and unfair. Imagine what the poll result would have been, btw if we'd had one back in the day when Moyes had us 17th in the league...it'd have been almost 100% he had to go.

It's simple for me:

he's proven he can put together a very good league campaign; he's demonstrating now that he retains his ability to mount cup campaigns; he's put together the makings of a great squad - and cash now will be well invested.

I'm not particularly arsed what the hoofball nostalgia brigade want to happen. They wont find an echo chamber in the club's boardroom as they do on here. That is the determining factor here.

So Martinez gets to take the credit for the criticism he is now receiving and dividing the fan base. I have to say that is a new one.

What is it with you and this hoofball nonsense? People are disillusioned with him for a whole host of reasons, home record, league position, defensive frailties.

Just because I and many others aspire to having a team that doesn't have one of the worst defensive home records in Europe does not make us members of the hoofball nostalgia brigade. It's just mudslinging and not answering the points raised.

I have't read many comments saying "I wish we aimlessly launched the ball forward to a tall striker", "I wish we could play with the attacking flair of Tony Pulis's Stoke side." Just fans saying this season hasn't been good enough. And they are right, up to now, it hasn't.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We either sack martinez this summer or he is with us for the whole of next season... the same crap about managers not being available mid season will be next seasons reason not to get shut when we are bottom half.

That's a myth though isn't it. There's a whole host of good managers out of work. This season alone Klopp Benitez Hiddink have joined the prem mid season. Ancelotti and Guardiola have also agreed moves, Mourinho has been available for half a season.

 

[Brian Sephton]

No mate apparently you are the melt.

Of course he chose Everton over Wigan.

The underlying point i was making is that Martinez has a very good eye for talent...even defensive talent...just as Moyes did. For some reason you are viewing my opinion in a very strange way.

I think Dymack has missed something here .Martinez tried to sign Stones whilst he was at Wigan , so get the facts right if you want a fair argument
I am ,after many months of being totally pissed after the match ,in the Martinez out camp but it is really based on facts ,not distorted stats not biased opinion and definitely not on a whim
Sadly I think he ,and this is with a caveat ,didn't realise the size of the job ,yes he has embraced us and the club but sadly he entered his own surreal world ,the like of which he could only dream of ,being part of such a club is beyond most outsiders
The job is simply too big for him ,he is a nice guy ,a very clever guy but not the right one for us
I don't think slating him off every post will do anything ,so it would be nice if some kept to the topic and not go into this mode of -hate to Martinez at every chance - broaden your comments please to be taken credibly
And most of all remember we should all be on the same side
Onwards and upwards

 

[Saint Domingo]

If Martinez is considered "proven" because of 1 season then does that mean Brenda Rodgers is proven at "mounting a challenge" for the league because of 1 season.

The madness

Second season he made two cup semis and mounted a top 4 challenge? Sherwood also made the cup final. Both are derided as poor managers yet have arguably achieved more than Martinez has. Sadly the standards some judge other managers by are not applied to Everton's.

 

[Igrok]

Proven premier league manager lollollollollol

Proven wrong many times...

 

[ilikecheese]

Just admit it, you want Moyes back. lol

By his own definition Moyes does not qualify either.

 

[Groucho]

Just admit it, you want Moyes back. lol

No to be honest, although I think the man himself would bite our hands off.

 

[Zatara]

So Martinez gets to take the credit for the criticism he is now receiving and dividing the fan base. I have to say that is a new one.

What is it with you and this hoofball nonsense? People are disillusioned with him for a whole host of reasons, home record, league position, defensive frailties.

Just because I and many others aspire to having a team that doesn't have one of the worst defensive home records in Europe does not make us members of the hoofball nostalgia brigade. It's just mudslinging and not answering the points raised.

I have't read many comments saying "I wish we aimlessly launched the ball forward to a tall striker", "I wish we could play with the attacking flair of Tony Pulis's Stoke side." Just fans saying this season hasn't been good enough. And they are right, up to now, it hasn't.

The main difference is that the people who are backing martinez are looking long term and giving him the chance to build something.

Looking at wages and transfer spend i think we should be around 8/9th. Next season 6th and upwards after.

However as @davek pointed out there were martinez threads popping up not even halfway into his 2nd sesson.

The main difference based on this forum is that "most" martinez out posters want to finish 5-7th and are angry that were in 12th.

Martinez backers want to see us being build into a regular top 4 side and are patient as we can see it being achieved.

 

[ianefc]

No to be honest, although I think the man himself would bite our hands off.

He should of listened to his own words about grass and it being greener. I'd be gutted if he came back. Even more gutted than if Martinez stayed.

 

[FisherEFC]

I would bet my life on that he'll be here next season but won't make it to the one after. He'll spend a kings ransom £80 million+ and will be sat in the bottom half come Xmas without Roms goals. The knives will be well and truly out even from those that supported him being kept on that season and come the end Moshiri will pot him after him underachieving a 3rd season running (and spending big that one).

 

[balggy]

Not sure I'd agree that was the situation with those two managers so much as they were aware someone was available that they felt fitted the profile better. I can also see them introducing somebody in without moving Martinez on.
Don't actually think they'll be basing this on the cup.

Not sure I would agree with you there. Chelsea replaced Di Matteo with Benitez, who was hated by the fans and given the job util the end of the season.

It's a bit of a null point because because you would be stupid to sack a manager unless there was someone available who you thought could do a better job.

But essentially, it was clear Liverpool and Chelsea had doubts about Rodgers and Di Matteo respectively. Whilst both were given the opportunity to start the next season, patience was in short supply and after poor starts both were sacked.

 

[FisherEFC]

The main difference is that the people who are backing martinez are looking long term and giving him the chance to build something.

Looking at wages and transfer spend i think we should be around 8/9th. Next season 6th and upwards after.

However as @davek pointed out there were martinez threads popping up not even halfway into his 2nd sesson.

The main difference based on this forum is that "most" martinez out posters want to finish 5-7th and are angry that were in 12th.

Martinez backers want to see us being build into a regular top 4 side and are patient as we can see it being achieved.

Your on crack lad aye building something even though Lukaku and Stones will be out the door in the summer. Wake up its not football manager.