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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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oldblue said:
Depends where you are as to how worrying this is. If you're on your phone staring out to sea then nothing on the horizon is a shocking state of affairs.
Or put a less facetious way, how the hell do people conjur up these doom laden prophecies.
Surely the main appeal to your average football fan has always been the randomness of it all. How things can turn around. How much confidence, spontaneity and chance play a part.
I think part of the reason I've shifted over to actually stand by Martinez for now is this constant barrage of formulations designed to prove something that's completely unprovable. And thank god for that.
Thank god for Leicester just clicking for no calculable reason. Thank god for the magic. Thank you for the music etc..
FA cup semi coming up kids. Who fancies it?
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Have you not seen his CV mate nor noticed the constant repeat of pattern?

Deffo though... Despite my feelings on the BOOBY I still fancy us...
 

bluewally said:
Really it's all just building up to Moshiris decision on the future and one group will end up with egg on their face
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Not really, at the end of the day Bobby will go, sacked/mutual consent/another job/retire. I confidently predict it will happen sometime in the next 20 years.
What we have from day one is a bunch of 'supporters' who from day one demanding he be sacked, for no footballing reason at all, just because they want to be able to say they always knew he was rubbish from day1 (and some RS fans wanting to derail us in the same way we post on RAWK to derail them).
Over time they amplify every negative about the Club hoping to speed up his departure. Circumstances occur and some in the wider fanbase go off the manager over time, this is only natural, some will always look for the greener grass if they think things are stagnating.
We have now got to a point that whenever we win, it's written off as 'papering over the cracks and we can have a thoroughly toxic Home environment that the players don't like playing in. When we lose (no matter the reason) its days of insults against Bobby and the team.
A new manager isn't going to solve anything as the hate cycle will only start again and our better players will leave without Bobby.
 
SpurtingLesbian said:
Not really, at the end of the day Bobby will go, sacked/mutual consent/another job/retire. I confidently predict it will happen sometime in the next 20 years.
What we have from day one is a bunch of 'supporters' who from day one demanding he be sacked, for no footballing reason at all, just because they want to be able to say they always knew he was rubbish from day1 (and some RS fans wanting to derail us in the same way we post on RAWK to derail them).
Over time they amplify every negative about the Club hoping to speed up his departure. Circumstances occur and some in the wider fanbase go off the manager over time, this is only natural, some will always look for the greener grass if they think things are stagnating.
We have now got to a point that whenever we win, it's written off as 'papering over the cracks and we can have a thoroughly toxic Home environment that the players don't like playing in. When we lose (no matter the reason) its days of insults against Bobby and the team.
A new manager isn't going to solve anything as the hate cycle will only start again and our better players will leave without Bobby.
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I and many others thought he had a great first season and placed great faith in him

However he's eroded that faith with two very below par seasons since he's had the chance to put his own stamp on the team

If you don't have any way to rationalise that then ok

Please don't come on accusing people of hating him from day one and never giving him a chance

And please don't accuse posters of being Liverpool fans. That's uncalled for.

If you go over to Liverpool forums stirring then that's your business but don't accuse others of doing the same as a way of defending the indefensible
 
Groucho said:
I agree completely that he can build a talented squad.

I question whether he can make the most of its potential/actual talent.
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I've said before he would make an excellent director of football and I am starting to see why the continental teams split the role of 'manager' out into head coach and director of football. Had we done the same Martinez would be getting credit for bringing in some of Europe's top young talent and for improvements to the academy. As it is he is getting heat for failing to bring the necessary results. Wenger and Ferguson have created this idea that a manager with total control is the only way to get sustainable success, but I don't think the modern player necessarily responds to that any more. Guardiola Mourinho Ancelloti being perfect examples, all felt their ability to cajole players into doing what they want diminishing either through the players becoming bored or their own energy going. Chelsea have won far more than Arsenalnin recent times with a roulette style managerial approach. The key was always a strong core of quality players that a good coach could come in and get results out of.

It will be a shame because I think that the end of this season, cup or no cup will see the natural end of this iteration of the team. High probability of Stones and Lukaku going, Barry Jags a year slower, Howard already out, Mirallas likely to follow. There's a massive rebuilding job to do here. A job that Martinez would probably be brilliant at from a director of football role, but I fear he no longer has the required backing of the players or fans to start another transitional period after the poor results of the first one.
 
bluewally said:
I and many others thought he had a great first season and placed great faith in him
However he's eroded that faith with two very below par seasons since he's had the chance to put his own stamp on the team
If you don't have any way to rationalise that then ok
Please don't come on accusing people of hating him from day one and never giving him a chance
And please don't accuse posters of being Liverpool fans. That's uncalled for.
If you go over to Liverpool forums stirring then that's your business but don't accuse others of doing the same as a way of defending the indefensible
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I'm not calling you anything mate. Infact I said it was only natural that some will go off a manager in time
Fact is there have been people from Day1 and there are RS supporters.
 

SpurtingLesbian said:
I'm not calling you anything mate. Infact I said it was only natural that some will go off a manager in time
Fact is there have been people from Day1 and there are RS supporters.
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Rather than debate the topics you attack the posters and their motive for posting

There is no place in reasoned debate for these tactics
 
mkrudden said:
He's spot on though mate.
There are some who have responded to victorys with silence or "it means nothing".
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So people don't have a kneejerk reaction to our rare victories and that means they have a motive rather than maybe they're just looking at performances over a longer period than the last 90 minutes
 
bluewally said:
So people don't have a kneejerk reaction to our rare victories and that means they have a motive rather than maybe they're just looking at performances over a longer period than the last 90 minutes
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It's so wrong though.
How can EVERY victory or good performance mean nothing?

In a developing team, it isn't purely black or white.
 
bluewally said:
So people don't have a kneejerk reaction to our rare victories and that means they have a motive rather than maybe they're just looking at performances over a longer period than the last 90 minutes
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rare victories?? exactly the sort of bias I'm talking about.

Since the beginning of Jan we've won 8 games, lost 5 and drawn 2
The you call me blinkered.
 

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