Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[SpurtingLesbian]

I think that just points out that you can do what you want with stats. I doubt many who have had enough would accept victories over Dagenham and Redbridge, Carlisle and to a point the Bournemouth result as good enough reasons to sway their stance.

but that's the problem, they don't accept the victories against Man City or Chelsea either. To some they are just written off as flukes because they don't help the Martinez out agenda.

 

[bluewally]

rare victories?? exactly the sort of bias I'm talking about.

Since the beginning of Jan we've won 8 games, lost 5 and drawn 2
The you call me blinkered.

9 league wins this season. Yes rare

 

[Eggs]

Results aren't just down to the Manager though, the players, opposition and ref all play their part as well.
and I have already repeatedly acknowledged your 'large amount of disquiet' as being natural.

....we are at the pointy end of the season and our overall league position is certainly the managers responsibility. After the Arsenal game I was chatting with a few really level headed old fans who had just come back from the game and they described the team performances as 'inept'. I've never called for this manager to be sacked but I also wouldn't look to give him excuses.

 

[ianefc]

but that's the problem, they don't accept the victories against Man City or Chelsea either. To some they are just written off as flukes because they don't help the Martinez out agenda.

Or they/we do accept them a great victories....yet it only adds to the mix of frustration, because it leads to one obvious question.

How have we lost to WBA, Swansea, West Ham and Arsenal in the league around with 75% of those performances being utterly gutless, the other 25% being West Ham where we played well until Martinez sabotaged us with probably his worst substitution of the season.

What's your breaking point with him?

 

[bluewally]

It's so wrong though.
How can EVERY victory or good performance mean nothing?

In a developing team, it isn't purely black or white.

Developing?

The mainstay of the have mostly been here for all 3 of Martinez seasons. How much developing are they going to do

 

[PhilM]

Just saying that playing in a toxic atmosphere doesn't help, especially if your a goal down. Surely there should be an element of encouraging them to come back instead of writing the game off and hurling abuse?

No of course it doesn't and most home fans understand this. However, to suggest fans should give unwavering optimism is naive, if not crass.

Are fans happy with the current atmosphere? Is it what they desire? No. Yet, the atmosphere induced by the fans is directly linked to our fortunes.

Watching four wins at home in the league in a calendar year isn't very inspiring. Nor is regularly seeing slow, insipid football being produced.

Yes you may argue that a positive atmosphere could help fix this, but people have paid to be entertained. They've paid to want to see Everton win.

Unfortunately, it is fair to argue that the manager and the players (the latter maybe due to the former) are not currently offering either of those.

So it's not realistic for fans to become slowly but surely frustrated and disillusioned by this? This isn't in the short-term now; it's a long term effect.

Or would you rather people simply pay good money and just sit their with little emotion or fake enthusiasm? Sorry, that's not for me.

We may be in a vicious cycle and the fans can do their part to fix this, but so can the manager and the players. It's not a one way thing!

 

[Eggs]

9 league wins this season. Yes rare

....let's not forget it is hardly a high calibrate season. A well organised and committed group of players can achieve much in this division.

 

[FisherEFC]

We effectively are looking at an Aston Villa situation and I've said as much before. Reading Villa Talk forum there were a number of villa fans who didn't want Lambert sacked on the basis of him "building a team" "signing Benteke" etc. They then continued to be midtable year after year, losing any top player they had whilst unable to replace them with like for like quality due to not being in the challenge for European football. (Sound familiar right now in regards to Lukaku, Stones?).

Time they got rid of Lambert it was too late and relegation was slowly beckoning. Looking at this season, can you honestly say we wouldn't be looking behind our shoulders at the bottom 3 places if we took Roms goals out the side?

For me this is a crucial moment in our history and future and I just pray Moshiri is aware of this/ambitious enough to keep our best players and not listen to luvvy Bill Kenwright.

 

[1966efc]

One of the differences (I think) between Evertonians and supporters of another club not too far away, is that we don't behave as though we're controlled by the Thought Police.

If that offends R M's / the players feelings, there's a fairly obvious solution.

 

[SpurtingLesbian]

We effectively are looking at an Aston Villa situation and I've said as much before. Reading Villa Talk forum there were a number of villa fans who didn't want Lambert sacked on the basis of him "building a team" "signing Benteke" etc. They then continued to be midtable year after year, losing any top player they had whilst unable to replace them with like for like quality due to not being in the challenge for European football. (Sound familiar right now in regards to Lukaku, Stones?).

Time they got rid it's too late and relegation has beckoned. Looking at this season, can you honestly say we wouldn't be looking behind our shoulders at the bottom 3 places if we took Roms goals out the side?

For me this is a crucial moment in our history and future and I just pray Moshiri is aware of this/ambitious enough to keep our best players and not listen to that luvvy traitor Bill Kenwright.

Wow, you seriously believe that do you? as in believe it and not just to try to wind people up with comedy over-reaction?

 

[bluewally]

rare victories?? exactly the sort of bias I'm talking about.

Since the beginning of Jan we've won 8 games, lost 5 and drawn 2
The you call me blinkered.

Dagenham
Carlisle
Bournemouth
Newcastle
Stoke
Villa
Chelsea

2 lower division teams, Bournemouth reserves, 2 relegation certs, a stoke team who'd lost their previous 3 league games and an under par Chelsea

And I'm blinkered

When you look at the calibre of the 8 wins it tells a slightly different story

 

[royalblue66]

No of course it doesn't and most home fans understand this. However, to suggest fans should give unwavering optimism is naive, if not crass.

Are fans happy with the current atmosphere? Is it what they desire? No. Yet, the atmosphere induced by the fans is directly linked to our fortunes.

Watching four wins at home in the league in a calendar year isn't very inspiring. Nor is regularly seeing slow, insipid football being produced.

Yes you may argue that a positive atmosphere could help fix this, but people have paid to be entertained. They've paid to want to see Everton win.

Unfortunately, it is fair to argue that the manager and the players (the latter maybe due to the former) are not currently offering either of those.

So it's not realistic for fans to become slowly but surely frustrated and disillusioned by this? This isn't in the short-term now; it's a long term effect.

Or would you rather people simply pay good money and just sit their with little emotion or fake enthusiasm? Sorry, that's not for me.

We may be in a vicious cycle and the fans can do their part to fix this, but so can the manager and the players. It's not a one way thing!

Be nice to see a bit of passion from Marinez.

 

[neo2020]

Time to close this cancerous thread as well, it seems.

 

[oldblue]

If you hate it all why do you come here to have a dig at people voicing their opinions. Attendance is not mandatory

You've switched over to be pro Martinez in the face of the unprovable formulations such as

Second highest goals conceded record in Europe

Worst home record in years and possibly ever

Second consecutive season in the bottom half.

Our top young players want to leave

Don't hate it. I just don't get it. And hasn't a massive chunk of the this 'debate' just been attempts to ridicule people who've decided they would rather wait and see because they don't see the stats that you can see.
If you don't like a little bit of fun being poked back then what can I do

 

[FisherEFC]

Wow, you seriously believe that do you? as in believe it and not just to try to wind people up with comedy over-reaction?

1. Look at the table and take the leagues 2nd top goalscorer out our side.

2. Realise Martinez has only finished in the top half ONCE in his time in the premier league.

You are incredibly naive to believe we at worst wont be facing a relegation battle next season when a promoted side Bournemouth are LEVEL on points with us and another in Watford are ABOVE us, assuming a said awful Villa side and one of Newcastle or Sunderland who have been whipping boys for many seasons now goes, it's not inconceivable by any stretch to worry that 2 of the 3 promoted sides coming up next season could push us with this clowns current mismanagement.