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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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Having seen him for long enough up close now - 3 years is enough to judge someone i reckon, he is a footbally dreamer, not a realist, has these grand schemes for what he wants and where he sees his ideas arriving at, but has no idea how to get them their, football at thislevel needs a dose of realism from the manager and he just hasn't got any whatsoever, Moyes as a coutner had too much of it

100% agree mate, same as what I said earlier him and Moyes are polar opposites and neither are good enough for us. The likes of Emery and Hiddink with £100 million to spend would have us up the table in a season in my opinion.

Ironically if he played a counter attacking system like we do away from home we would be a good side, but it's his self absorbed belief in tiki taka at home that has us in this mess, as teams can play against it so easily unless you have the quality of players that Barca do (who even then press the opposition much more than us).
 
100% agree mate, same as what I said earlier him and Moyes are polar opposites and neither are good enough for us. The likes of Emery and Hiddink with £100 million to spend would have us up the table in a season in my opinion.

Ironically if he played a counter attacking system like we do away from home we would be a good side, but it's his self absorbed belief in tiki taka at home that has us in this mess, as teams can play against it so easily unless you have the quality of players that Barca do (would even then press the opposition much more than us).

I've warmed on the idea of Pellegrini myself a lot over the past couple of days, judging him on his overall management career rather than the weird situation he's found himself in at City, him, Emery or Hiddink - would take any of those over Martinez, not even counting the likes of the Ajax and PSV managers who'd also be worth the punt although no where near as proven
 
I've warmed on the idea of Pellegrini myself a lot over the past couple of days, judging him on his overall management career rather than the weird situation he's found himself in at City, him, Emery or Hiddink - would take any of those over Martinez, not even counting the likes of the Ajax and PSV managers who'd also be worth the punt although no where near as proven

I think sadly Moshiri being all "evolution over revolution" will give him another season when he doesn't deserve it. I think it's damage limitations hopefully he wins the cup and gets us EL football as at least that will be a bargaining tool in hopefully us signing a good standard of player with the increased transfer budget. If not then I genuinely fear who we will sign as at present your Southamptons and stokes are more attractive .

You would hope he either has a better season next or at worst it's more of the same and he's given the boot and we still have a strong squad. The fear is he's given another season, we don't win the cup, we lose 1-2 of our best players but don't sign good enough improvements whilst the better players go to your more attractive West hams/Southamptons/Leicesters/stokes.
 
I think the only reason he gets more time for me is for his signings have been mostly decent and as stated above has an eye for a decent player, but just doesn't seem able to manage a team effectively. If we can go on an unbeaten run form now until the end of the season and win the FA Cup then he gets next season as a final chance to prove himself for me.
 

I think sadly Moshiri being all "evolution over revolution" will give him another season when he doesn't deserve it. I think it's damage limitations hopefully he wins the cup and gets us EL football as at least that will be a bargaining tool in hopefully us signing a good standard of player with the increased transfer budget. If not then I genuinely fear who we will sign as at present your Southamptons and stokes are more attractive .

You would hope he either has a better season next or at worst it's more of the same and he's given the boot and we still have a strong squad. The fear is he's given another season, we don't win the cup, we lose 1-2 of our best players but don't sign good enough improvements whilst the better players go to your more attractive West hams/Southamptons/Leicesters/stokes.

Dunno mate, If Moshiri has been looking at us for the best part of 18 months like apprently he was, then that evaluation time may have been when he was weighing up the purchase, best case scenario we win the cup and the new owner says thanks and good luck to him, strongly believe that Moshiri had exactly his plan for this club set out by the time he entered negotiations, stadium, commercial side, and the personel to take us forward both on and of the pitch - manager included
 
Dunno mate, If Moshiri has been looking at us for the best part of 18 months like apprently he was, then that evaluation time may have been when he was weighing up the purchase, best case scenario we win the cup and the new owner says thanks and good luck to him, strongly believe that Moshiri had exactly his plan for this club set out by the time he entered negotiations, stadium, commercial side, and the personel to take us forward both on and of the pitch - manager included

I hope so mate, perhaps explains why Kenwright felt the need to come out with his little bobby love in speech during the pairs interview, sort of a try persuade Moshiri subtlety type act?

I just don't trust Bill, I could imagine him hounding Moshiri to give him another season (god knows how many if we win the cup). You just hope Farhad isn't the giant taking orders from the little guy type of person.
 
No, ive said countless times, hes built a superb squad.

The squad building isnt the issue here, IMO that squad is good enough to push for a top 4 place, its certainly better than 12th, thats not even a discussion.

Im just saying, people keep making these excuses, "they arent his players", "wait for transfer windows", in his times had plenty of transfer windows. The players within the squad are all International players, who ALL mostly managed to defend under the last Manager we had.

The players arent the issue, the coaching, the tactics and the lack of motivation from a manager out of his depth are the issues.

I hope mosh acts quickly and pots martinez sooner rather than later. I hope the club and new manager could convince Lukaku to stay
 
I hope so mate, perhaps explains why Kenwright felt the need to come out with his little bobby love in speech during the pairs interview, sort of a try persuade Moshiri subtlety type act?

I just don't trust Bill, I could imagine him hounding Moshiri to give him another season (god knows how many if we win the cup). You just hope Farhad isn't the giant taking orders from the little guy type of person.

Also think that Kenwright is the type that even if he knew 100% for certain a bloke was getting fired he would give them the big song and dance act about how great they are - remember the tears he supposedly shed when sacking Smith for example or crying when he sold rooney and his comments when Moyes left, it's all theatre for the bloke mate and he hams it up like the best/worst of them.

Moshiri would not have survived in the type of business world he has mixed in with the company that he has had to deal and partner with unless he was a very strong businesman mate, he'd have been eaten up and spat out broke a long time ago otherwise, he instead thrived in it.
 

Everton have been a strange team this season. On paper they should be challenging for a European spot at the very least, given the players in their squad. Giant Belgian striker Romelu Lukaku has more than proved his worth, netting 25 goals in all competitions to date, and is liable to break the 30 mark before the season reaches it’s climax.

Ross Barkley is one of the most talented young Englishmen currently playing in the league and the supporting cast of attacking talent is none too shabby either – the likes of Kevin Miralles, Gerard Delofeu and more recently Aaron Lennon all have plenty of quality at their feet.




Even at the back they have a number of stellar names, John Stones lauded as one of the most talented young defenders of his generation whilst Seamus Coleman and Leighton Baines are probably one of the best full-back duos from any side in the top-flight.

This makes their current plight all the more baffling. A side this talented should not be languishing in 12th place at this stage of the season. The Goodison Park faithful have seen their side lose eight home games already – that’s half of all matches played on their own patch. And on top of that, they have conceded more goals at home than even the woeful Aston Villa, a damning indictment of their form if ever there was one.

Away from the ‘comforts’ of Merseyside they’ve been fine, however, suffering only one defeat and conceding less than half the amount they have in front of their own fans. And of course they are in the semi-finals of the FA Cup, so it’s been far from what you would call a disastrous season but there is much room for improvement.

And with the recent acquisition of the club – well, a controlling interest at least – from Iranian billionaire Farhad Moshiri, improvement in both playing personnel and facilities is likely. For years Everton have been a club ripe for a takeover, but until now had somehow been overlooked by the wealth of foreign investors (no pun intended) that have appeared throughout the Premier League over the last decade or so. But in Moshiri they finally have someone who can take them to the next level, in theory at least.

And whilst I’m sure he will pump money into player recruitment, training facilities and improving, or even changing, the stadium, one of the former Arsenal shareholders first priorities must be to look at the management at Goodison. Roberto Martinez is a lovely man I’m sure, and one who can certainly spin a good story regardless of result or performance, but it is those very performances that bring into question his ability to take the side forward and match the ambitions and investment of the new owner.

There is no doubt Everton play some beautiful attacking football at times, their pace, movement and creation of goalscoring opportunities is amongst some of the best in the Premier League. But their defending is at times comical. The lack of organisation and leadership at the back (particularly when Phil Jagielka is absent) alongside poor decision-making and an emphasis on the attacking side of the game are key reasons behind their terrible defensive record and subsequent lowly league position.

They have the talent and ability to beat anyone on their day, as evidenced by their impressive cup run, but are far too inconsistent and lacking in organisation to maintain a league challenge. The team having thrown away points on multiple occasions this season, most notably against Bournemouth, Chelsea and just recently West Ham, all in the latter stages of the game.

This unfortunately must lay at the door of the manager – tactics, mentality and game management all resting on Martinez’s shoulders. Poor defending was often a trait of the Spaniard’s Wigan side who, like Everton currently, played attractive football and could achieve isolated success – their FA Cup victory in 2013 proof of this – but were ultimately found wanting on the finer points of defending and organisation, leading to their relegation in the same season.

Therefore, if Moshiri is to take this ‘sleeping giant’ to the next level moving forward, he must axe the likeable Spaniard sooner rather than later. Football is increasingly more a business than a sport and there is no room for sentimentality if you wish to succeed at the highest level.

Martinez may be an extremely personable, likeable man who you could talk to at great length about the beautiful game, but his shortcomings as a manager have been all too evident this season (and those previous), and if this talented group of players are to fulfil their potential, another manager must be bought in to help take this great club back up towards where it ‘should’ be in this increasingly competitive Premier League.

http://www.footballfancast.com/prem...-this-change-is-needed-if-its-to-be-a-success
 
Also think that Kenwright is the type that even if he knew 100% for certain a bloke was getting fired he would give them the big song and dance act about how great they are - remember the tears he supposedly shed when sacking Smith for example or crying when he sold rooney and his comments when Moyes left, it's all theatre for the bloke mate and he hams it up like the best/worst of them.

Moshiri would not have survived in the type of business world he has mixed in with the company that he has had to deal and partner with unless he was a very strong businesman mate, he'd have been eaten up and spat out broke a long time ago otherwise, he instead thrived in it.

Yeah know what you mean pal, just hope with his whole "I've bought into a family" "you don't takeover a club you become part of it" comments perhaps suggest he sees football differently than a business. We've needed hard nosed businessmen for a while now I just dread to think if luvvy Bill has turned the bloke into a richer version of himself. Time will tell I suppose!
 
Yeah know what you mean pal, just hope with his whole "I've bought into a family" "you don't takeover a club you become part of it" comments perhaps suggest he sees football differently than a business. We've needed hard nosed businessmen for a while now I just dread to think if luvvy Bill has turned the bloke into a richer version of himself. Time will tell I suppose!

Can guarantee that hasn't happened mate, Moshiri will have encountered people like Kenwrigth a plenty before now, he will have his own plan and agenda and will stick to it, football has become increasingly ruthless and more busineslike and thankfully for the first time in a long time we can say we have an owner who fits that mould.

Personally will be very surprised if Martinez isn't gone by the start of June
 
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Can guarantee that hasn't happened mate, Moshiri will have encountered people like Kenwrigth a plenty before now, he will have his own plan and agenda and will stick to it, football has become increasingly ruthless and more busineslike and thankfully for the first time in a long time we can say we have an owner who fits that mould.

Personally will be very surprised if Martinez isn't gone by the start of June

Think an FA Cup win would keep him in a job sadly and I really can see us winning it this season.

Only Everton could winning a trophy come with a price! (well Portsmouth as well)
 

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