Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[TheHumbleEgg]

If it makes you feel any better, I may well be dead before we win our next one !





Unless Martinez pulls his finger out and manages to win a couple of games at Wembley, which he may well do.

'So, what was it changed your mind from wanting him offed to going all-out, brown-shod & uber pro-Martinez...?'

'Well, it was when WOOLY BLUE made me consider that I might well be dead before we next win a trophy...So....2-3-4...We're on the march with BOBBY's etc...etc...'

Pffff....nice one Wool....

 

[oldblue]

Not really - you've done us all another huge favour. Even from the article;

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And if you're +10 but in 12th place, you are considerably underachieving by about four or five places.

You've actually managed to link an article that shows that, relative to goal difference, Martinez's and this Everton side are underachieving. Amazing stuff, you're actually doing it for us.

Interesting choice of words though 'done us all a huge favour'. It's almost as if you are setting out to prove we'll fail.
Why wouldn't stats that show we probably won't make you happy?

 

[Woolly Blue]

I wouldn't bet against it tbf.

Me neither mate, in fact, I reckon we're in with a great shout of winning it.

If I was in charge and was looking to invest in the team and infrastructure over the next few years though, I'd be giving very serious consideration to replacing Martinez this summer. Say that costs 10 to 15 million pounds to settle his contract and pay someone else a bit more than he's on who I had more confidence in. In the grand scheme of things in football these days, 10 to 15 million quid is nothing. To me, it's a no-brainer.

 

[DanEFC92]

1st March 2015



1st April 2016

 

[mythbuster]

I despair at this witch-hunt, I really do. I can only bear to come on here now when I've been on a bender.

He's gonna be our manager next season - it's not in our clubs' nature to sack him just yet (haven't we only had something like 25 managers in our entire history?)

I've backed him to the hilt, and I was an ardent Moyes fan too. I'm the first to say now though, that it's 'crap or get off the pot time' for Martinez next season. But for now, can we all just stop bickering and unite behind the team and the manager, for now?? Because we've got a very big game on the horizon - a game that could well go down in Everton history, and let's face it, the manager is still gonna be here for the start of next season, at least.

 

[ilikecheese]

Some teams who have got to the F.A. Cup Semi Final since 2010
Portsmouth
Stoke City
Bolton Wanderers
Wigan Athletic (twice)
Millwall
Hull City
Sheffield United
Reading
Aston Villa

So? Sick to death of people taking the piss out of this competition like we win it all the time.

Been 21 years since we won and 7 since we competed in a final. Why minimize what could be a very important moment for our club? I just don't get it.

 

[Blue Cheese]

Yeah, the FA Cup for me is still a massive magical competition. I wish only the final was at Wembley as it makes the semis more important than they are(in the sense that it isn't pot lifting day).

Martinez is over for me but he'll go with good grace if he brings that pot back. The man is his own worst enemy, just learn how to defend and get your in game tactics right sir, 'tis what you are paid handsomely for.

 

[oldblue]

So? Sick to death of people taking the piss out of this competition like we win it all the time.

Been 21 years since we won and 7 since we competed in a final. Why minimize what could be a very important moment for our club? I just don't get it.

And since premier league started it's only been won three times by clubs outside the richest six. So two out of the four times it has happened will have been us if we do it. It is a massive moment and I don't think any one person at the club should be overshadowing it

 

[nsno-chris]

So? Sick to death of people taking the piss out of this competition like we win it all the time.

Been 21 years since we won and 7 since we competed in a final. Why minimize what could be a very important moment for our club? I just don't get it.

I'm not taking the piss out of it, so pick your toys up.

I'm clearly stating that the semi is not an achievement, us it really that hard to get it through your head, those teams got to a semi and 2 have won it.

An achievement is winning something, something that I've personally witnessed on 4 separate occasions, I know and remember what it feels like.

If we are unfortunate enough to lose the semi then we are still in the same position as we are now and have been for the last 21 years, empty handed.

So stop claiming that getting to a semi final is an achievement because it's not, plain and simple!!!

 

[mythbuster]

And since premier league started it's only been won three times by clubs outside the richest six. So two out of the four times it has happened will have been us if we do it. It is a massive moment and I don't think any one person at the club should be overshadowing it

Remember how much '86 and '89 hurt? Remember how '85 was a bit of a bummer, even though we'd just won the league and a European trophy? Remember Elland Rd....

Anybody who devalues what this competition means to us as a club needs to re-evaluate, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[oldblue]

Remember how much '86 and '89 hurt? Remember how '85 was a bit of a bummer, even though we'd just won the league and a European trophy? Remember Elland Rd....

Anybody who devalues what this competition means to us as a club needs to re-evaluate, as far as I'm concerned.

I wasn't prepared for how bad '85 felt. Logic dictated that was a great season and we were just missing out on a bonus prize. Felt horrible walking away after the final though and I can even remember the bus around the city feeling more subdued than the one the year before. Even though the league was on show. All a blur though

 

[FisherEFC]

What annoys me are the fans who back martinez who use the cup form to justify the poor league campaigns of the previous 2 seasons. Sorry but the cups are and always have been the bonus the league is the bread and butter.

Don't get me wrong If we win the cup it's been a successful season, but let's not act like we can't be performing in both the league and cups. Spurs are 2nd and got to the same stage of the EL as we did last season whilst we were in 14th, we are 12th now whilst both of our semi opponents are 5th and 6th, if West ham finish top 6 and win the FA Cup what's the excuse from the pro RM lot going to be?

Howard Kendall would be nowhere near as idolised had he not delivered in the league in the 80s. The FA Cup was great but that on its own and it's nowhere near a sign of a fantastic side (as we were in the 80's).

 

[kithnou]

What annoys me are the fans who back martinez who use the cup form to justify the poor league campaigns of the previous 2 seasons. Sorry but the cups are and always have been the bonus the league is the bread and butter.

Don't get me wrong If we win the cup it's been a successful season, but let's not act like we can't be performing in both the league and cups. Spurs are 2nd and got to the same stage of the EL as we did last season whilst we were in 14th, we are 12th now whilst both of our semi opponents are 5th and 6th, if West ham finish top 6 and win the FA Cup what's the excuse from the pro RM lot going to be?

Howard Kendall would be nowhere near as idolised had he not delivered in the league in the 80s. The FA Cup was great but that on its own and it's nowhere near a sign of a fantastic side (as we were in the 80's).

That applies for the top teams. Of which we have not been for a while. A cup win would be like a breakout game for us.

 

[mythbuster]

I wasn't prepared for how bad '85 felt. Logic dictated that was a great season and we were just missing out on a bonus prize. Felt horrible walking away after the final though and I can even remember the bus around the city feeling more subdued than the one the year before. Even though the league was on show. All a blur though

Shocking we had to play on the Saturday like... That would never happen in this day and age (but then again, they probably all got pissed up after beating Rapid Vienna, so that would not happen now either

I'm with you though... It was a shock

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Be honest lads, how many of you who are claiming that getting to a Semi Final is an achievement also acted like it was a failure when Moyes did it?

Personally, I think a run to the Semi Finals is an achievement, of sorts, and I think Moyes and Martinez deserve at least equal credit for doing it

If anything, Moyes deserves more credit because he had a weaker squad to work with

You can't have it both ways.

You can't use the fact that Moyes didn't win a Cup as a stick to beat him with, while also using the advancement to the latter stages of a Cup as a way to lionise Martinez