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Is this an old photo? As in from October 7th when he was photographed at Goodison?
Does anyone have a link to that Vadim Shabliy's instagram?

Was posted on his facebook this morning and within a few hours he had deleted the post with Picture as well, sounds like someone got onto the blower to him sharpish telling him to remove it IMO.

Over the past 4-5 days though that is the second post he has made bigging up Martinez massively - seemingly for a Ukranian audience - makes me think he is doing so for when he moves to us the fans being behind it as a good and positive move to a good manager/club.
 

Was on his facebook this morning and within a few hours he had deleted the post with Picture as well, sounds like someone got onto the blower to him sharpish telling him to remove it IMO
That makes sense, I had a look at his facebook and couldn't see it on there. Interesting that the location seems to say Liverpool.
 
That makes sense, I had a look at his facebook and couldn't see it on there. Interesting that the location seems to say Liverpool.

Well after Yarmolenko signed his contract he gave an interview (his agent) in which he effectively said when asked about any plans to go England again - that should their be interest and negotiations to be done he would be on the first plane etc.

The guy is a le coc sportif tease though but coming over for the derby and posting his pic from that (location in kiev when he posted it up on facebook) and then posting this one up with the posting location as Liverpool means he is here as of this morning - maybe the location thing is why he pulled it down super fast - Given that today Mourinho shot down suggestions Chelsea had any interest in the player combined with the fact that Kiev are playing them in Kiev tonight and he is meanwhile in Liverpool talking to Martinez - would suggest that the deal is very much getting talked about still
 
I like Martinez when he is brave and makes the "fun" decisions (most of 1st season)

The united game was possibly the first time I could of told you the starting line up before kick off. He tried to go safe with Lennon for Deulofeu and stuck to Naismith and brought Coleman & Stones back in and it backfired.

If he sticks to making the brave decisions (Deulofeu on for Baines in the derby when Baines got injured was a particular favourite) then he will be fine.
 
I like Martinez when he is brave and makes the "fun" decisions (most of 1st season)

The united game was possibly the first time I could of told you the starting line up before kick off. He tried to go safe with Lennon for Deulofeu and stuck to Naismith and brought Coleman & Stones back in and it backfired.

If he sticks to making the brave decisions (Deulofeu on for Baines in the derby when Baines got injured was a particular favourite) then he will be fine.

Brave decisions are starting your best players rather than putting out lineups designed to do nothing but stifle the game then try and win it from the bench. That's what he did first season. It was McCarthy Barry Barkley boring everyone to sleep for 45 mins then he'd bring on Osman or Pienaar to find a way to break the team down. Second season he did the same but had no options off the bench and injuries so we were just conceding but had no way to turn it round. This season it's been a mixture of both, beaten by United and City before the subs could do anything, settling for draws v Liverpool and Spurs rather than making bolder substitutions to win the game, and throwing Hail Marys against Warford and West Brom to claw back points that looked beyond us.

We've started with a correct first 11 twice this season v Southampton and Chelsea (I'll give Martinez the benefit of the doubt that Besic would have got a hattrick) . We were at it from the off with the correct tactics and everyone up to speed. In every other game though we've come out looking half asleep in the first half and that includes the cup games. We've conceded first loads of times home and away to poor sides. A top manager should put out the correct team more than 50% of the time. You should have a clear way of playing, an 11 you trust, and a confidence and consistency in performance at home. We have none of these things. Martinez will not budge his midfield two but considers the wide spots to be a free for all open to whoever comes out of the bingo that week. Kone and Cleverley bizarrely started the season over Mirallas and Del. once Kone hits s bit of form he disappears to be replaced by Deulofeu who is flying until one bad half v Liverpool and he loses his spot to Lennon. Is any of this ridiculous musical chairs doing any of them any good? I won't even get into Naismith and Barkley playing out of position. Meanwhile Gibson and Mirallas who I consider to be two of our top players are sat on the bench for the biggest games of the season. Why, after coming on against WBA and producing arguably our best football of the season, was Gibson not brought on v Spurs and Liverpool? Why is Mirallas one of our top players not starting over Naismith who is out of position. Why is Gareth Barry playing every game at the age of 35? Why is Howard allowed to stay in goal error after error whilst Robles was axed after three clean sheets?

These are not brave decisions. It is boring conservative safety first dirgeball that occasionally gets exciting when Martinez is forced to go all in. We could be playing like the second half of WBA most weeks but Martinez refuses to play the necessary combinations to play this way unless he is two down.

Think about it, the best football we've seen under Martinez has been the exact opposite of the philosophy he spouts. A plethora of direct free kicks, Barkley running the length of the pitch, Gibson finding Deulofeu with a spayed ball who crosses for Lukaku to head in, long balls from back to front that Lukaku has got on the end of, our counterattacking in Europe. Martinez does not even promote this, it's the opposite of his slow measured build up keeping possession and bringing the full backs into play. Nearly every match we try this for 60 mins, realise we're getting nowhere, sack it off, and just go gung ho for a result. It's crazy crazy football and has only worked (when it does work which is not often enough) because Everton has very good players and an exceptional defence personnel wise (of course Martinez deserves half the credit for this). If he played this way with a mid table team they would go down (as Wigan did).

Start the right team from the start and show you can win games at home in a consistent manner. That is what brave top managers do, not making themselves out to be tactical geniuses for saving games when it is they who botch the starting 11 every week.
 

Definitely looks like a goer now.

Does the agent have any other players under his unbrella who we could be speaking with...never know.

Was posted on his facebook this morning and within a few hours he had deleted the post with Picture as well, sounds like someone got onto the blower to him sharpish telling him to remove it IMO.

Over the past 4-5 days though that is the second post he has made bigging up Martinez massively - seemingly for a Ukranian audience - makes me think he is doing so for when he moves to us the fans being behind it as a good and positive move to a good manager/club.
 
Brave decisions are starting your best players rather than putting out lineups designed to do nothing but stifle the game then try and win it from the bench. That's what he did first season. It was McCarthy Barry Barkley boring everyone to sleep for 45 mins then he'd bring on Osman or Pienaar to find a way to break the team down. Second season he did the same but had no options off the bench and injuries so we were just conceding but had no way to turn it round. This season it's been a mixture of both, beaten by United and City before the subs could do anything, settling for draws v Liverpool and Spurs rather than making bolder substitutions to win the game, and throwing Hail Marys against Warford and West Brom to claw back points that looked beyond us.

We've started with a correct first 11 twice this season v Southampton and Chelsea (I'll give Martinez the benefit of the doubt that Besic would have got a hattrick) . We were at it from the off with the correct tactics and everyone up to speed. In every other game though we've come out looking half asleep in the first half and that includes the cup games. We've conceded first loads of times home and away to poor sides. A top manager should put out the correct team more than 50% of the time. You should have a clear way of playing, an 11 you trust, and a confidence and consistency in performance at home. We have none of these things. Martinez will not budge his midfield two but considers the wide spots to be a free for all open to whoever comes out of the bingo that week. Kone and Cleverley bizarrely started the season over Mirallas and Del. once Kone hits s bit of form he disappears to be replaced by Deulofeu who is flying until one bad half v Liverpool and he loses his spot to Lennon. Is any of this ridiculous musical chairs doing any of them any good? I won't even get into Naismith and Barkley playing out of position. Meanwhile Gibson and Mirallas who I consider to be two of our top players are sat on the bench for the biggest games of the season. Why, after coming on against WBA and producing arguably our best football of the season, was Gibson not brought on v Spurs and Liverpool? Why is Mirallas one of our top players not starting over Naismith who is out of position. Why is Gareth Barry playing every game at the age of 35? Why is Howard allowed to stay in goal error after error whilst Robles was axed after three clean sheets?

These are not brave decisions. It is boring conservative safety first dirgeball that occasionally gets exciting when Martinez is forced to go all in. We could be playing like the second half of WBA most weeks but Martinez refuses to play the necessary combinations to play this way unless he is two down.

Think about it, the best football we've seen under Martinez has been the exact opposite of the philosophy he spouts. A plethora of direct free kicks, Barkley running the length of the pitch, Gibson finding Deulofeu with a spayed ball who crosses for Lukaku to head in, long balls from back to front that Lukaku has got on the end of, our counterattacking in Europe. Martinez does not even promote this, it's the opposite of his slow measured build up keeping possession and bringing the full backs into play. Nearly every match we try this for 60 mins, realise we're getting nowhere, sack it off, and just go gung ho for a result. It's crazy crazy football and has only worked (when it does work which is not often enough) because Everton has very good players and an exceptional defence personnel wise (of course Martinez deserves half the credit for this). If he played this way with a mid table team they would go down (as Wigan did).

Start the right team from the start and show you can win games at home in a consistent manner. That is what brave top managers do, not making themselves out to be tactical geniuses for saving games when it is they who botch the starting 11 every week.

TL;DR

Why do you hate the manager so much?
 
TL;DR

Why do you hate the manager so much?

Don't hate him, just don't think he's good enough to manage Everton. Keep waiting for him to convince me otherwise, hasn't happened. I gave him a clean slate when he arrived and was excited about the change from Moyes and that he had a philosophy that with better players would work. In the first season despite good results I was concerned how we got them and his reliance on Moyes' creative players off the bench. Since then my fears have been confirmed.
 
Don't hate him, just don't think he's good enough to manage Everton. Keep waiting for him to convince me otherwise, hasn't happened. I gave him a clean slate when he arrived and was excited about the change from Moyes and that he had a philosophy that with better players would work. In the first season despite good results I was concerned how we got them and his reliance on Moyes' creative players off the bench. Since then my fears have been confirmed.
He gave us our biggest ever PL points total, but he's not good enough to manage us?
 
He gave us our biggest ever PL points total, but he's not good enough to manage us?

Ive explained my reasoning why I believe that came about multiple times. Considering the squad he has compared to previous managers he should be aiming for that anyway. If he can show that he can maintain this level of performance I'll be proven wrong and will be happy to have been believe me. If he continues to produce what I believe he is producing then I will continue to believe my theory behind his first season.
 

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