Roberto Martinez discussion

[Deleted member 24970]

No mate. We just think that since he is the manager of Everton, you should support him. Is that too much to ask for?

Going every game i can get too & never booing or shouting abuse at the manager or players is my way of showing support. Even if i dont agree with martinez and his style i still try to back the lads. So now im not supporting the lads because i question the style ? Once again im anti martinez for questioning the inconsistent crap served over the last 18 months ?!

 

[Deleted member 24970]

You're looking for the manager - who sees football as needing to be played in a certain way - to move toward you, who believes it should be played in another (as yet unspecified) way. That's hardly a situation where you're open minded is it? There's not a lot of persuadingro be done there.

We play with pace and get in behind teams with numbers when they want to make a game of it; and we keep possession, probing for a gap when they dont want to do that. There's not a great deal more to it than that. Put labels on it if you wish, but it looks a pretty orthodox way of playing football to me. The only criticisms that can be made of it is if the pace of our play isn't kept sufficiently high, or that we are short of one or two players who can turn the screw on compact opponents when they do sit back. But I really dont see any way I could criticise or doubt a manager who's fundamental method is to take the game to the opposition and control the ball. It's exactly what Moyes' teams were incapable of, because they were cast in his negative, risk averse likeness.

Im looking for the manager to be more open minded, more balanced in his philosophy and in turn more balance in the team itself to bring results. Like i have said i see what he is trying to achieve but he doesnt play the squad to its maximum potential. You can do all the tippy tappy stuff when you have the same barcelona players that made tikka takka famous. We dont have them players so we have to maximise what we do have.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

Does that mean he's exempt from any critical observation? Not many people on here are calling for Martinez to be replaced, i just want him to improve. Because of this though you get called a plotter and someone who never wanted Martinez from the beginning. Neither are true.

After all the back and forth between myself and da-vek this post is literally a quick summary of my feelings and many others.

 

[davek]

Im looking for the manager to be more open minded, more balanced in his philosophy and in turn more balance in the team itself to bring results. Like i have said i see what he is trying to achieve but he doesnt play the squad to its maximum potential. You can do all the tippy tappy stuff when you have the same barcelona players that made tikka takka famous. We dont have them players so we have to maximise what we do have.

Do me a favour with the "tippy tappy" nonsense. Your dealing in caricature here regarding this manager.

 

[Zatara]

Apparently everyone at wigan speaks very highly of him...say hes extremely friendly, even down to the kitchen staff.

one observation I've been sitting on for a while comes from the U21 game vs Preston a couple of months. All of the coaching staff were there and sat just a few seats away from me. Everyone seemed in a good mood, lots of bonhomie .. then Martinez arrived, barely acknowledged anyone and sat a couple of rows in front of them. He cut an isolated figure, unhappy.

I've long wondered if he suffers from the Napoleon complex.

Martinez reminds me of a boss I had. This guy lacked stature (& was conscious about it), had no personality that most people could readily associate with, competence was questionable, surrounded himself with sycophants whose competence was also questionable, said all the right things to the people who mattered, inc. partners .. all in all a horrible excuse of a man. Neither he or his sycophants could deliver, some sycophants were sacrificed, ultimately he was exposed for the chancer he was / is, was paid off and joined another Global 100 company in a similar senior management / junior director role.

I fear that we are stuck with Martinez for the foreseeable future & we'll be expected to accept mediocrity during his 'reign'. Any success will be luck rather than design. He is what he is .. and anyone who's ever worked for a diminutive latino who's out of his depth will understand.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Can't say I'm impressed by our home tactics one bit this season. Counter attacking away we seem slightly better, but at home it's terrible to watch.

Predictable, slow build up which always allows the opposition to get back into position, with virtually zero chances created before subs come on and we up the tempo for the last 10-15 minutes. It's rinse and repeat every game.

One thing I noticed playing Norwich, Hoolahan would take up positions behind our midfield and in front of our defence, as a number 10 should do. The amount of times he got played the ball to feet quickly and had multiple options was unreal. We overcomplicate it massively by trying to be 'measured' in our build up. The difference is we don't probe to find an opening like Barca, we pass it round slowly, nobody takes responsibility in the final third then we give it away.

 

[Titus Bramble]

He sometimes does good things. He sometimes does bad things. Hopefully Sunday will be full of good things.

 

[davek]

Can't say I'm impressed by our home tactics one bit this season. Counter attacking away we seem slightly better, but at home it's terrible to watch.
Predictable, slow build up which always allows the opposition to get back into position, with virtually zero chances created before subs come on and we up the tempo for the last 10-15 minutes. It's rinse and repeat every game.
One thing I noticed playing Norwich, Hoolahan would take up positions behind our midfield and in front of our defence, as a number 10 should do. The amount of times he got played the ball to feet quickly and had multiple options was unreal. We overcomplicate it massively by trying to be 'measured' in our build up. The difference is we don't probe to find an opening like Barca, we pass it round slowly, nobody takes responsibility in the final third then we give it away.

I've been singing his praises for years...and getting laughed at for it. He's a very astute player who can receive a pass and give one in a dangerous area. But the clever people know best, I suppose.

On that point you bring up: it's not as if the manager doesn't realise that what's needed is a player that can find space and breakdown defences. He does. The pursuit of Yarmolenko underlined it and we may well yet see that happen, who knows. Regardless of him though, that position should have been prioritised before all others. I cant see it going unfilled for too much longer.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

I've been singing his praises for years...and getting laughed at for it. He's a very astute player who can receive a pass and give one in a dangerous area. But the clever people know best, I suppose.

On that point you bring up: it's not as if the manager doesn't realise that what's needed is a player that can find space and breakdown defences. He does. The pursuit of Yarmolenko underlined it and we may well yet see that happen, who knows. Regardless of him though, that position should have been prioritised before all others. I cant see it going unfilled for too much longer.

We are a great keeper and a Yarmolenko away from being genuine top 4 contenders in my opinion. The system can work, but the players need to back themselves way way more in the final third.

 

[Nymzee]

We're not fluid enough in the final third to be a Top 4 team. We're far too predictable when attacking at the moment.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We are a great keeper and a Yarmolenko away from being genuine top 4 contenders in my opinion. The system can work, but the players need to back themselves way way more in the final third.

We've been saying this for years. First it was 'we need a 20 goal a season striker', now it is we need a new keeper and a number 10. The common factor is the board just not releasing enough funds for managers to build the squad they need.

 

[Titus Bramble]

We've been saying this for years. First it was 'we need a 20 goal a season striker', now it is we need a new keeper and a number 10. The common factor is the board just not releasing enough funds for managers to build the squad they need.

This will be a never ending cycle with the non oil funded clubs. The board will only release money for 1 or 2 big names a year. by the time the next year comes around someone will be sold/getting older and need replacing themselves. Basically we'll find it very difficult to have a starting 11, let alone a squad, capable of challenging for the top of the league as we'll always have 1 or 2 week links. The week links just rotate around the pitch every season.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

Do me a favour with the "tippy tappy" nonsense. Your dealing in caricature here regarding this manager.

Tell that to the manager who is bulletproof, playing short passing, out from the back, keep it on the deck football. That is not working.
You have backed him so much that even if we were relegated you would immediately blame it on the aged squad moyes left X amount of years ago.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

We've been saying this for years. First it was 'we need a 20 goal a season striker', now it is we need a new keeper and a number 10. The common factor is the board just not releasing enough funds for managers to build the squad they need.

They gave him money to spend and he threw it all at Lukaku, then doesn't play to the guys strengths.

 

[davek]

Tell that to the manager who is bulletproof, playing short passing, out from the back, keep it on the deck football. That is not working.
You have backed him so much that even if we were relegated you would immediately blame it on the aged squad moyes left X amount of years ago.

I back him because he's done a good job turning the club around from one way of playing (the wrong way) to a fundamentally different way of playing (the right way)...and it gets results - if you dont think so go and look at his win rate in comparison with most other Everton managers.

Of course, it takes time to get things completely right. Two seasons in is the early stage of the rebuilding/recalibration. Most reasonable people are prepared to give time over to seeing a process through.