Roberto Martinez discussion

[Seamus Colemole]

Tell that to the manager who is bulletproof, playing short passing, out from the back, keep it on the deck football. That is not working.
You have backed him so much that even if we were relegated you would immediately blame it on the aged squad moyes left X amount of years ago.

Just laugh at him mate.

Complaining about you dealing in caricature as opposed to his cave dwelling dark ages, hoofball playing sergeant major caricature of moyes.

And his laughable assertions that the slow boring half arsed guff that martinez serves up on a regular basis is somehow the type of football that befits the great Everton.

Lol.

 

[toffeejack]

Can't say I'm impressed by our home tactics one bit this season. Counter attacking away we seem slightly better, but at home it's terrible to watch.

Predictable, slow build up which always allows the opposition to get back into position, with virtually zero chances created before subs come on and we up the tempo for the last 10-15 minutes. It's rinse and repeat every game.

One thing I noticed playing Norwich, Hoolahan would take up positions behind our midfield and in front of our defence, as a number 10 should do. The amount of times he got played the ball to feet quickly and had multiple options was unreal. We overcomplicate it massively by trying to be 'measured' in our build up. The difference is we don't probe to find an opening like Barca, we pass it round slowly, nobody takes responsibility in the final third then we give it away.

bar arsenal and spurs, we have played all our hardest home games already to be fair. The rest of the season will be a bit different you'd think, with more attacking intent.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

bar arsenal and spurs, we have played all our hardest home games already to be fair. The rest of the season will be a bit different you'd think, with more attacking intent.

I don't see why we didn't attack both Liverpool and United though? They were both very much beatable. I'd say our performance against Liverpool was criminal given the circumstances. The likes of City at home, Arsenal away, fair enough, you don't mind being cautious, but United's back line is dodgy and Liverpool's whole team is dodgy. Rather see us set up to win a game and lose 3-2 than set up not to lose and get smashed 3-0 anyway.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

I back him because he's done a good job turning the club around from one way of playing (the wrong way) to a fundamentally different way of playing (the right way)...and it gets results - if you dont think so go and look at his win rate in comparison with most other Everton managers.

Of course, it takes time to get things completely right. Two seasons in is the early stage of the rebuilding/recalibration. Most reasonable people are prepared to give time over to seeing a process through.

Moyes played to the strengths of the players he had. Martinez is not. You asked me what was the right way and I said balanced. You are as stubborn as Martinez himself, we only start playing when we go behind, for example he brings Kone on to help Lukaku and our play in the attacking third improves, he may bring Delboy on to help with the width (something we all cry out for) then next game its back to boring Plan A - Naismith wide, one winger, one up front, exposed left back (Galloway has done extremely well considering he was hung out to dry vs both Manchester clubs and Liverpool early on), Barry, Howard and Lukaku just as bulletproof as the manager is in your eyes.

Until we start seeing a manager who willing to admit his faults and change his 'philosophy' to suit the opposition in front of him then I wont have much patience with him. If he mixes it up and loses I will back him, if we go 4-4-2 for example with two wingers on Sunday and get beat then I wont be so harsh on the guy, he gave it a go didn't he ?
If he goes Naismith wide and refuses to change his approach until he goes 1-0 down, then voices will be heard and it wont be in his favour.

 

[mightymoyes]

Tony Barrett
@TonyBarretTimes
Martinez on criticism of Tim Howard's form: "His role on the pitch is much more important than his individual performance."

what does that even mean? he could write a book on talking nonsense

 

[neil999]

Moyes played to the strengths of the players he had. Martinez is not. You asked me what was the right way and I said balanced. You are as stubborn as Martinez himself, we only start playing when we go behind, for example he brings Kone on to help Lukaku and our play in the attacking third improves, he may bring Delboy on to help with the width (something we all cry out for) then next game its back to boring Plan A - Naismith wide, one winger, one up front, exposed left back (Galloway has done extremely well considering he was hung out to dry vs both Manchester clubs and Liverpool early on), Barry, Howard and Lukaku just as bulletproof as the manager is in your eyes.

Until we start seeing a manager who willing to admit his faults and change his 'philosophy' to suit the opposition in front of him then I wont have much patience with him. If he mixes it up and loses I will back him, if we go 4-4-2 for example with two wingers on Sunday and get beat then I wont be so harsh on the guy, he gave it a go didn't he ?
If he goes Naismith wide and refuses to change his approach until he goes 1-0 down, then voices will be heard and it wont be in his favour.

moyes played the same formation every game as well

edit - in fact martinez plays 433 sometimes as well, so who is the more flexible manager?

 

[davek]

Moyes played to the strengths of the players he had. Martinez is not. You asked me what was the right way and I said balanced. You are as stubborn as Martinez himself, we only start playing when we go behind, for example he brings Kone on to help Lukaku and our play in the attacking third improves, he may bring Delboy on to help with the width (something we all cry out for) then next game its back to boring Plan A - Naismith wide, one winger, one up front, exposed left back (Galloway has done extremely well considering he was hung out to dry vs both Manchester clubs and Liverpool early on), Barry, Howard and Lukaku just as bulletproof as the manager is in your eyes.

Until we start seeing a manager who willing to admit his faults and change his 'philosophy' to suit the opposition in front of him then I wont have much patience with him. If he mixes it up and loses I will back him, if we go 4-4-2 for example with two wingers on Sunday and get beat then I wont be so harsh on the guy, he gave it a go didn't he ?
If he goes Naismith wide and refuses to change his approach until he goes 1-0 down, then voices will be heard and it wont be in his favour.

That's called a squad system mate. The 'unsettled' nature of the team is Martinez reshuffling the pack as he sees fit. It's what all other managers do. We dont live in an era when 14 players are used for all the games in one season anymore.

 

[davek]

Tony Barrett
@TonyBarretTimes
Martinez on criticism of Tim Howard's form: "His role on the pitch is much more important than his individual performance."

what does that even mean? he could write a book on talking nonsense

It's obvious what he means, and that slap headed Kopite knows it too. The full context to what he was saying is that Howard - with a young inexperienced back four - contributes to settling them down. That is over and above his own contribution of goal keeping.

Now, whether you accept the truth of that statement or not, it does at least make sense.

That Kopite hack should confine himself to defending the lunatic german they've just employed and the pidging English he deploys.

 

[kithnou]

Tony Barrett
@TonyBarretTimes
Martinez on criticism of Tim Howard's form: "His role on the pitch is much more important than his individual performance."

what does that even mean? he could write a book on talking nonsense

"He's rubbish, but he yells out instructions and positive vibes" comes to mind...

 

[sageyefc]

It's obvious what he means, and that slap headed Kopite knows it too. The full context to what he was saying is that Howard - with a young inexperienced back four - contributes to settling them down. That is over an above his own contribution of goal keeping.

Now, whether you accept the truth of that statement or not, it does at least make sense.

That Kopite hack should confine himself to defending the lunatic german they've just employed and the pidging English he deploys.

Nonsense, he doesnt settle them down, he adds to the mayhem, our defence dont trust him

 

[mightymoyes]

It's obvious what he means, and that slap headed Kopite knows it too. The full context to what he was saying is that Howard - with a young inexperienced back four - contributes to settling them down. That is over an above his own contribution of goal keeping.

Now, whether you accept the truth of that statement or not, it does at least make sense.

That Kopite hack should confine himself to defending the lunatic german they've just employed and the pidging English he deploys.

coleman and jagielka arent young and inexperienced though. fair enough jagielka is injured now. howard makes our back 4 more nervous so i dont know how he contributes to settling them down.

 

[neil999]

It's obvious what he means, and that slap headed Kopite knows it too. The full context to what he was saying is that Howard - with a young inexperienced back four - contributes to settling them down. That is over and above his own contribution of goal keeping.

Now, whether you accept the truth of that statement or not, it does at least make sense.

That Kopite hack should confine himself to defending the lunatic german they've just employed and the pidging English he deploys.

hahaha, the press will go for him eventually

have you heard his interviews? absolute rambling nonsense..and its not the language barrier

 

[Lowste]

They gave him money to spend and he threw it all at Lukaku, then doesn't play to the guys strengths.

I believe Lukaku is looking a far better all round player from when he arrived.
He has obvious strengths, but just concentrating on them can make him become very predictable and team will easily accomadate these strengths.
This season his passing is far better, but hi holding of the ball and his first touch is no doubt greatly improved.
I think money well spent....

 

[davek]

Nonsense, he doesnt settle them down, he adds to the mayhem, our defence dont trust him

That's not the point. The point is that the notion that Martinez's comments were gobbledegook was way out.

 

[davek]

hahaha, the press will go for him eventually

have you heard his interviews? absolute rambling nonsense..and its not the language barrier

The feller's an idiot. He can speak English pretty fluently, it's just that he talks utter tosh.