Roberto Martinez discussion

Professor Toffee · December 30, 2015

MoutsGoat said:
Every Everton victory is entertaining.

Every pearl we dive for is beautiful

orly · December 30, 2015

D410 said:
The back door has been kicked in and needs replacing.

I do more than kick in yer Ma's backdoor

Is what I'd say if I hadn't already been banned from this thread. On topic; isn't that Martinez just an absolute fraud?

evertony · December 30, 2015

D410 said:
Leicester.

What have Leicester won? It's half way through the season....there's no gongs given out yet. They're playing great but have no more silver polish requirements than ourselves, and everyone else at this point.

Woolly Blue · December 30, 2015

davek said:
...it was a staggering hypocrisy if true. Pot calling the (relatively shiny) kettle, black.

No, it would have been a fairly typical employer / employee conversation. Something's not working, you talk about it and, if necessary, explain in no uncertain terms that carrying on "as is" isn't acceptable. As an employee, Martinez has a responsibility to deliver certain goals at the club. There was definitely a time when last season when it looked like he was falling short. It would have been irresponsible of the board to ignore that.

If you worked for me ( perish the thought on both sides ) and you weren't delivering, I would have had that sort of conversation with you. You'd have probably gone off in a strop and sulked, but it appears that Martinez is made of sterner stuff, took on board some of the criticisms, turned things round and everyone ended up being happy.

Thankfully, we're no longer in that situation.

D410 · December 30, 2015

D410 said:
Leicester.

Top of the league for most of the season with a threadbare squad.

LouReedwalkonthewildside · December 30, 2015

D410 said:
Leicester.

Leicester have been brilliant, but at the end of the day they have also been lucky with injuries, let's see how they cope without Vardy because they have no squad depth.

evertony · December 30, 2015

edge said:
biggest mistake after kings dock in modern Everton history letting Royal go

The Queen would never have progressed at Everton mate :-)

D410 · December 30, 2015

LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
Leicester have been brilliant, but at the end of the day they have also been lucky with injuries, let's see how they cope without Vardy because they have no squad depth.

I,d put it down to the manager as the key driver to the success at that club so far.

GrandOldTeam · December 30, 2015

davek said:
...and the ageing squad left Martinez...the one Moyes acknowledged needed gutting.

Avg age of Moyes' inherited squad would have been older...

Gazza and co...

LouReedwalkonthewildside · December 30, 2015

ToffeeTim said:
Don't really think we demand instant success. But I was 3 when we last won a trophy and every season that goes by certainly increases the frustration and impatience. Like it or loathe it, but it's how modern football is. We want at least evidence we are on right track but I feel the opposite right now with the defensive side of our game in freefall.

Know where your coming from mate, just keep the faith.

GrandOldTeam · December 30, 2015

Woolly Blue said:
Probably partly explained by the fact (?) that the quality in other Premier League clubs squads have improved as well over the last two and a half seasons.

Final points total and positions consistent - if anything you could argue the league has gone backwards based on English teams in Europe.

GrandOldTeam · December 30, 2015

MoutsGoat said:
Every Everton victory is entertaining.

My thoughts entirely.

And every defeat is crap - even if we win the possession or had a great first half.

LouReedwalkonthewildside · December 30, 2015

D410 said:
I,d put it down to the manager as the key driver to the success at that club so far.

Saying that though, Nigel Pearson was doing a great job before Ranieri, even Ranieri said when he came in he didn't change anything.

I like Ranieri, he's one of those manager who are hard to dislike no matter what they do, the funny thing is, when he was first being touted for Leicester it was mocked by most of the media.

davek · December 30, 2015

Woolly Blue said:
No, it would have been a fairly typical employer / employee conversation. Something's not working, you talk about it and, if necessary, explain in no uncertain terms that carrying on "as is" isn't acceptable. As an employee, Martinez has a responsibility to deliver certain goals at the club. There was definitely a time when last season when it looked like he was falling short. It would have been irresponsible of the board to ignore that.

If you worked for me ( perish the thought on both sides ) and you weren't delivering, I would have had that sort of conversation with you. You'd have probably gone off in a strop and sulked, but it appears that Martinez is made of sterner stuff, took on board some of the criticisms, turned things round and everyone ended up being happy.

Thankfully, we're no longer in that situation.

*ignoring the very hurtful words thrown in my direction like daggers....*

You're dealing in apples and pears there lad. If any ordinary employer has a word with any employee in the world of trade you can be almost certain that they;ll have some hands on experience of what they're having a word about. Not so our esteemed directors...unless you know they've all taken their coaching badges like.