Roberto Martinez discussion

[Kev The Rat]

Lennon didn't need to be taken off for me. Besic coming on was the massive turning point as he competely changed the dynamic of the midfield. Cleverley moving to left also worked quite well- still a position we need to address but rather him than Kone.

I for one thought Mirallas would've made a positive difference in the latter stages.

Felt Deulofeu was the more important sub for me - as always with him on the pitch we look like scoring every time we attack.

I like Cleverley's wide range of passing I do feel his best position is out wide.

For me I'd like midfield of Clev Barry McCarthy Barkeley Deulofeu if everyone is fit.

 

[Lowste]

A clown of a manager...

Who bought

Lukaku
Deulofeu
Barry
McCarthy
Funes Mori
Cleverley
Kone
Lennon


He isn't a clown but he has to wise up. I think he would have dropped Howard had Jagielka not got injured. There has been enough naivety in that defence without bringing another younger player in.

I have faith in him. You don't as is your right. I doubt you were calling him a clown when he brought in Rom or Geri though were you?

Give up mate
We defended today with grit, but this still isn't enough for some
If this was any other team people would be saying they worked hard today, they stood firm and kept a good shape.
Some on here will not give credit to anything that RM does
Reminded me of a Moyes teams today, so defensively good....

 

[chicoazul]

You know we've conceded a tonne of goals at home right?

And we're 11th?

Martinez did alright today, but he's got to do it consistently before your argument holds any water

Today was an improvement over last time out, but let's see where we are after we've played City three times

Where do you think we will be after we've played the current champions and richest club in England full of the best players Mikey?

It would be easier to just continual write "I don't like Martinez and I don't want him" rather than this tedious roundabout of a thread.

 

[Lowste]

Felt Deulofeu was the more important sub for me - as always with him on the pitch we look like scoring every time we attack.

I like Cleverley's wide range of passing I do feel his best position is out wide.

For me I'd like midfield of Clev Barry McCarthy Barkeley Deulofeu if everyone is fit.

I wouldn't argue with that

 

[Lowste]

Where do you think we will be after we've played the current champions and richest club in England full of the best players Mikey?

It would be easier to just continual write "I don't like Martinez and I don't want him" rather than this tedious roundabout of a thread.

I guess we could add a few names to accompany Mikey

 

[chicoazul]

I guess we could add a few names to accompany Mikey

I may as well write repeatedly "Give him some more time".

 

[mkrudden]

But we won't get results without a balanced side. We are great going forward but we have to be if we must score three (or more!) at home to win.

We've seen it on a grotesque scale at other teams (like Blackpool a few years ago) where it's all about entertaining... and ultimately not getting the results.

He just does not have a track record of being able to fix a leaking defence. He called the defending 'immense' today. For only conceding the one goal! Where's the change in mentality then? It was one goal too many for getting us a win at home.

Arguably today, our best period of sustained threat was after Kone had gone off.

Again, I agree. Conceding from one straight ball and one diagonal run can never be described as part of an "immense" defensive performance.

I also didn't think Kone was great today, and Cleverley wide with Besic in the middle did improve us.

My comment was more directed towards you saying "what reason was there for starting Kone?" (Paraphrasing). I'm merely saying that when we are scoring goals as frequently as we are, and Kone has goals and assists to his name, his inclusion is far from laughable (you didn't use this word, granted).

If what you're saying is "playing Cleverley and Besic would have made us more solid" I'd agree. I don't think playing Mirrallas however would have shored us up. I think it would have had the same impact without the hold up play, which invites pressure onto us.

I'd also say that the freshness of Deu and Besic gave us some attacking threat rather than Kone and his abilities being off the pitch.

As I say, you're point are valid and criticisms generally of Martinez understandable. Today though I think Kones inclusion was justified bearing in mind how good weve been going forward.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Where do you think we will be after we've played the current champions and richest club in England full of the best players Mikey?

It would be easier to just continual write "I don't like Martinez and I don't want him" rather than this tedious roundabout of a thread.

We may be up poop creek without a paddle mate

We may be in a Cup Final

That's Everton these days, you honestly can't call this stuff anymore

I'm just going with it now. stuff will happen and I'll react to it

If we defend well but Aguero slots two away regardless, there's not really much you can blame Martinez for there. As you say, they're big spending teams with great players

I DO like Martinez and I DO want him to be our manager. That doesn't mean I won't criticise him if I think it's valid. It's a fan forum at the end of the day and I'll give my opinions. You can agree or disagree with them as you see fit

I don't see why having balanced views is such a bad thing

 

[meagher94]

It has to be Besic in the middle, Cleverley out wide going forward while McCarthy is still out. There's no way Kone would've been getting as much game time if Jimmy Mac was fit lately - it'd be him and Barry in the middle with Deulofeu and Cleverley on the wings.

 

[Kiwi]

I may as well write repeatedly "Give him some more time".

I like roundabouts so I have.
Judging someone on a game by game basis is just silly and will give you gray hairs, I've said my bit before but will be waiting until the end of the season before assessing where I stand on the manager. He's shown he had strengths and weaknesses as a manager. Mitigate his weakness over the rest of the season and we'll do well imo.
A solid draw vs. Spurs changes nothing in this regard, I'm still waiting till the end of the season.

 

[chicoazul]

We may be up poop creek without a paddle mate

We may be in a Cup Final

That's Everton these days, you honestly can't call this stuff anymore

I'm just going with it now. stuff will happen and I'll react to it

If we defend well but Aguero slots two away regardless, there's not really much you can blame Martinez for there. As you say, they're big spending teams with great players

I DO like Martinez and I DO want him to be our manager. That doesn't mean I won't criticise him if I think it's valid. It's a fan forum at the end of the day and I'll give my opinions. You can agree or disagree with them as you see fit

I don't see why having balanced views is such a bad thing

The point being is that is a real sparsity of "balanced views" in this thread.

It's a pissing contest and everyone has chose their sides no matter what.

There's a distinct lack of context to views about the manager and his position.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

The point being is that is a real sparsity of "balanced views" in this thread.

It's a pissing contest and everyone has chose their sides no matter what.

There's a distinct lack of context to views about the manager and his position.

I'm going to be me mate

If extremists want to tear into me for not sharing their worship/hatred for Martinez then that's on them

If we change who we are then the terrorists win

I'll keep being balanced and the handful of peeps who feel the same can do the same. Rome can burn around us while we have a sensible debate

 

[davek]

Give up mate
We defended today with grit, but this still isn't enough for some
If this was any other team people would be saying they worked hard today, they stood firm and kept a good shape.
Some on here will not give credit to anything that RM does
Reminded me of a Moyes teams today, so defensively good....

I reckon most on here are tiring of them now. They've become a parody of themselves and have worn down the patience of even those who are unsure in their attitude toward the manager.

They're a laughing stock.

 

[sheedys left foot]

Howard is fair game. He looks shaky to say the least. You could even say the defense as a whole is fair game, including Coleman.

I just can't understand criticism of those front places when we score pretty much every game. Kone is a part of that. Is he the long term solution? Hell no. We need to be scouring for a Pienaar who can hold the ball up and bring others into play.

We scored again today though. Sure Kone wasn't involved directly, but we are a threat every single game. He is obviously aiding Lukaku. Mirrallas is the other option and he doesn't hold the ball up and isn't as selfless. He may bring 5 goals to the equation but I think to the detriment of our CF.

So ultimately, in order to have a goal scoring centre forward you need a ghost player to run around infront of him but it doesn't matter if he gives the ball away EVERY time he gets it and doesn't track back particularly well as once he's dragging a player away from lukaku?

Nonsense

 

[The Mighty Quint]

He's clueless when it comes to setting up a team, today he made Spurs look like Bayern in the first half because he started the wrong 11 playing the wrong tactics.

He's played Kone for 2 months solid and drags him off every game when he's crap again, all he does is breakdown 15 attacks for us a game, leaves the leftback hung out to get mullered, he did it to Galloway, he's doing the same to Baines.

We've actively seen teams targeting our left side week after week, Stoke did it, Spurs were doing it today.

Bench Kone you Spanish clown, bring defence aswell as attack to the flanks, you have the players, pick the right team FFS.