Roberto Martinez discussion

[vagant59]

Totally agree. I think the key for him is maintaining the form he's showing. He really has added that bit of bite as you say.

We need to be prepared though for him having a slump or him being a little naive. Its totally understandable.

He has looked very impressive though and according to he himself, the manager has been instrumental in helping him perfect his undoubted abilities.

Roberto undoubtedly has many great quality's, however there are still some area's that he looks a little naive. He just needs to convince everyone that he is the complete package, The last few games have helped his cause. He now needs to keep it going until the end of the season

 

[boris]

Fair points mate only one I don't agree with is where you said Lukaku could go off the map again. All things considered including fitness (Aguero) he walks into every team in the league. The Real Madrid transfer ban could be a late Christnas Present, although Zlat leaving PSG could screw us, all pie in the Sky but he isn't going to be sitting on anybody's bench. He's beyond that now, like I said earlier we are the 11th most creative team in the league and haven't had a penalty yet and he's the leagues top scorer.

I don't think it's that straightforward mate. For example the whole team is built here to get the best out of him, he goes to Madrid were the likes of Ronaldo and Bale aren't just there to set up Lukaku and he has 2 goaless game he's out and Benzema is back in.

It's all well and good being part off the badge here (as he is) and knowing you're in every week but once he goes to one of the very few clubs who could afford his fee, he'll be competing with experienced operators at that level. I don't think he's soft, I'm quietly confident he'll realise it might not do him any harm to have another season here as it's not as easy to keep Benzema, Zlatan, Lewondowski and co out as it is Kone.

 

[lancs blue]

Lukaku hasnt changed agents without a reason and guaranteed Champions league will be a pull factor. It doesnt help that the Premiership is one of the most competitive leagues in the world

 

[Stanley Parker]

Two players did it once all season. One just said calm down.

Hardly insane pressure that's cost us 20 goals at home

It's a bit more frequent than that. The players obviously can hear the fans reactions.

All this "the fans got on their backs and then the players finally reacted" is bollocks! lol McCarthy pleaded for some patience and calm from the Gwladys and the moaners screamed at him. He was in the wrong for not concentrating on the subsequent corner but it's no surprise it was off putting for him with the reaction he got. Reckon he let that get to him and it resulted in us conceding so well done to the lads who got on their backs. It worked a treat!

Everton took the lead when new attacking threat James McCarthy charged down the right before playing in what looked like a poor cross until Arouna Kone’s toe-poke and a fortunate run of the ball allowed the returning Mirallas to find goal. The Belgian foolishly interpreted a scrappy goal against the league’s bottom side [Burnley] to be sufficient grounds to fight back against recent criticism and duly offered a kind of ‘stop talking/ shut up’ gesture to home supporters.

Tim Howard and Everton fans are a special case at the moment, though. Applause and whoops rung out from the Gwladys Street when the United States international came and claimed a cross midway through the first half during the 4-3 loss to Stoke City, having hopelessly flapped at rudimentary ball into the box just seconds earlier. The response from the 36-year-old, who is one of the most experienced goalkeepers in English game, was to sarcastically applaud the fans behind the goal, then turn and tread back towards his goalmouth, shaking his head in their direction. It’s not the first time Howard has interacted with the Everton supporters in that section of the stadium in recent weeks.
Read more at: https://tr.im/jJRjH

Like at Everton on Sunday, when Tim Howard collected a routine catch and was greeted by a handful of ironic cheers from the Gwladys Street End, or when John Stones dribbled the ball around his own six yard box in the dying minutes of a tense 1-1 draw, and was met by howls of anguish and hollers to leather the ball into Row Z. Both players reacted. Howard stupidly, with an affronted and unnecessary glare at the Street End, Stones with a more impassioned plea for the fans to “calm down.” But it was clear that they were aware the crowd weren’t with them

 

[Goat]

The Mirallas 1 is stretching it a little.

 

[bizzaro]

It's a bit more frequent than that. The players obviously can hear the fans reactions.

All this "the fans got on their backs and then the players finally reacted" is bollocks! lol McCarthy pleaded for some patience and calm from the Gwladys and the moaners screamed at him. He was in the wrong for not concentrating on the subsequent corner but it's no surprise it was off putting for him with the reaction he got. Reckon he let that get to him and it resulted in us conceding so well done to the lads who got on their backs. It worked a treat!

Everton took the lead when new attacking threat James McCarthy charged down the right before playing in what looked like a poor cross until Arouna Kone’s toe-poke and a fortunate run of the ball allowed the returning Mirallas to find goal. The Belgian foolishly interpreted a scrappy goal against the league’s bottom side [Burnley] to be sufficient grounds to fight back against recent criticism and duly offered a kind of ‘stop talking/ shut up’ gesture to home supporters.

Tim Howard and Everton fans are a special case at the moment, though. Applause and whoops rung out from the Gwladys Street when the United States international came and claimed a cross midway through the first half during the 4-3 loss to Stoke City, having hopelessly flapped at rudimentary ball into the box just seconds earlier. The response from the 36-year-old, who is one of the most experienced goalkeepers in English game, was to sarcastically applaud the fans behind the goal, then turn and tread back towards his goalmouth, shaking his head in their direction. It’s not the first time Howard has interacted with the Everton supporters in that section of the stadium in recent weeks.
Read more at: https://tr.im/jJRjH

Like at Everton on Sunday, when Tim Howard collected a routine catch and was greeted by a handful of ironic cheers from the Gwladys Street End, or when John Stones dribbled the ball around his own six yard box in the dying minutes of a tense 1-1 draw, and was met by howls of anguish and hollers to leather the ball into Row Z. Both players reacted. Howard stupidly, with an affronted and unnecessary glare at the Street End, Stones with a more impassioned plea for the fans to “calm down.” But it was clear that they were aware the crowd weren’t with them

what the hell is www.worldsoccertalk.com ????

I've never heard of them. Did they have someone sat in the Gwladys ?

@davek

 

[bizzaro]

Having actually met Tim Howard some of the stuff being reported is totally OTT.

He's been out of form but given there are some absolute TEDS that sit and shout rubbish when our players are trying to concentrate its not surprising there's been an odd reaction.

I'd of dropped him for his form at some points this season.

However the personal abuse you see on twitter and the like and the comments I see fill me with incredulity.

Its like some people's football gene's been suddenly switched off and they can shout stupid things.

Proper BAWK. @davek

 

[Stanley Parker]

what the hell is www.worldsoccertalk.com ????

I've never heard of them. Did they have someone sat in the Gwladys ?

@davek

And they've never heard of you.

And yes, they have Matt Jones, 'a regular at Goodison Park where he watches his beloved Everton'.

 

[bizzaro]

And they've never heard of you.

Thats there loss then

Fact remains there are some coming out with utter codswalp. Our players are human not machines.

Howards not been at his best. Some of the abuse I've seen directed at him is shameful.

 

[USABlue]

Having actually met Tim Howard some of the stuff being reported is totally OTT.

He's been out of form but given there are some absolute TEDS that sit and shout rubbish when our players are trying to concentrate its not surprising there's been an odd reaction.

I'd of dropped him for his form at some points this season.

However the personal abuse you see on twitter and the like and the comments I see fill me with incredulity.

Its like some people's football gene's been suddenly switched off and they can shout stupid things.

Proper BAWK. @davek

this is my point exactly. Criticize players about their play on the pitch all you want but leave personal abuse out of it. I remember a month or so ago Tim tweeted something about his charity and getting all kinds of abuse that had nothing to do with football. Also happened when he tweeted Merry Christmas. Happened to the fullback Bacuna at Villa, people were shouting things about his young daughter at him just because Villa is playing like crap. Sad, awful people if you need to go after someones family because you're upset about a footie game

 

[Bluesoulrebel]

Lukaku hasnt changed agents without a reason and guaranteed Champions league will be a pull factor. It doesnt help that the Premiership is one of the most competitive leagues in the world

Give me the money...that's what I want!

 

[bizzaro]

this is my point exactly. Criticize players about their play on the pitch all you want but leave personal abuse out of it. I remember a month or so ago Tim tweeted something about his charity and getting all kinds of abuse that had nothing to do with football. Also happened when he tweeted Merry Christmas. Happened to the fullback Bacuna at Villa, people were shouting things about his young daughter at him just because Villa is playing like crap. Sad, awful people if you need to go after someones family because you upset about a footie game

Exactly its not on to be fair.

Howard's been a decent servant to EFC and deserves some respect. Yes he's not performed at the standards we and the manager may have expected. Nor certain other players.

But the fact remains that our players wouldn't be saying 'Calm down' if people weren't screaming absolute rubbish when the players are trying to get into it.

Imagine you're an elite sportsman who trains hours every day for years. Then facing some 30 stone bloke screaming at you Fing and blinding.

When you're trying to stop other elite sportsmen from beating you.

Jesus. I wish some of ours would start supporting the team and less of the comments I see.

The manager has to manage the form of the players as best he can. He doesn't have an unlimited budget. We're not in the position we expect to be in, however we can clearly change things very quickly before the end of the season. We're only at the mid point and in a semi final FFS!

@davek

 

[Stanley Parker]

Thats there loss then

Fact remains there are some coming out with utter codswalp. Our players are human not machines.

Howards not been at his best. Some of the abuse I've seen directed at him is shameful.

But that's exactly what they've been saying!

The abuse is shocking, and that's why the players have reacted.

 

[bizzaro]

this is my point exactly. Criticize players about their play on the pitch all you want but leave personal abuse out of it. I remember a month or so ago Tim tweeted something about his charity and getting all kinds of abuse that had nothing to do with football. Also happened when he tweeted Merry Christmas. Happened to the fullback Bacuna at Villa, people were shouting things about his young daughter at him just because Villa is playing like crap. Sad, awful people if you need to go after someones family because you're upset about a footie game

Villa deserve everything they get though!

For various detailed reasons. I've got history there.


I think some of our fans need to think about - supporting the team and not criticising for criticising sake.

My view is - I'm desperate to see our Everton players show FORM.

Play well and win.

Thats how simple I view it as.

@davek

 

[davek]

Exactly its not on to be fair.

Howard's been a decent servant to EFC and deserves some respect. Yes he's not performed at the standards we and the manager may have expected. Nor certain other players.

But the fact remains that our players wouldn't be saying 'Calm down' if people weren't screaming absolute rubbish when the players are trying to get into it.

Imagine you're an elite sportsman who trains hours every day for years. Then facing some 30 stone bloke screaming at you Fing and blinding.

When you're trying to stop other elite sportsmen from beating you.

Jesus. I wish some of ours would start supporting the team and less of the comments I see.

The manager has to manage the form of the players as best he can. He doesn't have an unlimited budget. We're not in the position we expect to be in, however we can clearly change things very quickly before the end of the season. We're only at the mid point and in a semi final FFS!

@davek

I blame Moyes. Seriously. His corrosive culture still has a lot of people in its thrall. Moyes' teams served up rubbish most of the time, but what they didn't do was expect the crowd to be patient while space and movement prompted fruitful moves. The direct play became our hallmark and everything since then has seemed like we're being too cautious in our approach. That leads to frustration from fans who have no conception of what a proper football team looks like...and then the abuse begins.