Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
That would be a good start to regaining a fraction of trust from the fanbase and turning this season from an abortion to something resembling ok.
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I'm not disputing that at all Kiwi. But people haven't been using that as an example. The person I quoted was talking about City and Chelsea, while @Carlito seems to be furious that Martinez, given the understandable criticism he gets, was proud that we kept a clean sheet away in the league against City - a team who had not failed to score in a home game (and it may even be home or away, I'm not sure) since January 2015...
Cork Evertonian
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The excuses we have heard so far from the thou shalt not criticise merchants have been 1 The europa league for last seasons 11th place finish.2 The fixtures were too hard after the slow start to this season.3 A various assortment of could have would have and should have excuses after the run of wins they were telling us we were going to on after the hard fixtures were over with didn't materialize.4 Goodison is full of under 30 year old braindead fifa playing louts who are scaring the players.5 We don't bother in league games.We only go all out in cup matches now.Well that's a relief then.There i was thinking that we have a manager who isn't able to manage and get the maximum out of his playing resources.
Ashtonian
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Nah Carlisle are as good as beaten in my eyes. We have already beaten Newcastle this season and considering they are bottom three its.not really something to windmill over.They've made some semi-decent confidence boosting signings and they're on the up mate. A win is a win over a Premier League side and would give us three points to hopefully head into the Stoke game with confidence...
By that logic, our loss to City shouldn't prove anything, or our last-gasp draw to Chelsea with a goal that shouldn't have stood? But a lot on here seem to be making out that Martinez should be losing his job over it?
Got to start with beating Carlisle, first as well.
Beating stoke SpongeBob a great result for us considering they turned us over last time and a mark of us actually beating a half decent team
royvernon39
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The majority of the soft goals are down to Mr. Tim Howard.
Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
I know. Ultimately I think we have the capacity to defend well. We've shown it in patches, but have had no consistency.
Having Howard in goal doesn't help that cause either, we seem far more assured with Joel in goal.
Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
Some but not all, as much as I dislike Howard. Stones has made a lot of mistakes the last few games, needs to be given a break to get his head right.
This season is far from over. The fanbase on the whole are growing impatient and I understand that but for all these shouts of Martinez Out, I have yet to see any body name a replacement that would improve us and is available right now to leave the job they're in to join us. It may have been building for a while, but suggesting MARTINEZ OUT without any actual suggestion of at least one name is pure knee-jerk for me.
All I'm trying to present is a balanced argument.
We've conceded 109 goals in 80 games since the start of last season in all comps. That stat has been thrown around a lot. We have 18 wins from 61 league games - yes, that's not good enough (and 30 wins from the 80 in total).
However, we've also scored 127 goals in the 80 games since the start of last season. We've lost 22 of those 61 league games (and 25 of the 80 games in total). The problem is clearly too many draws - this season it has been down to throwing points away late on.
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Three points is three points lad. Don't care who they come against, though yes, we should be expected to beat them, I agree.
royvernon39
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But lets agree that Howard's cock ups have cost 10-12 points.
We would be still in the chase for a top six spot.
Why RM fails to see that worries me.
We would be still in the chase for a top six spot.
Why RM fails to see that worries me.
It's not excuses. It's just a balanced and fair argument and debate.
It can't all be down to the manager. It's definitely at least partly down to him, in equal parts as it is the players (e.g. Howard, who yes, gets selected by Martinez - God knows why), and partly down to not taking the chances we create (Norwich, Swansea home and away this season), and partly down to bad luck and not having the rub of the green on some occasions when it comes to decisions that aren't subjective, like penalty calls are, but are clear-cut (Chelsea away, City on weds).
That's my main issue with him mate. His steadfast refusal to drop Howard is one of the major reasons he's under so much pressure. If he was willing to change things slightly, then I think people would at least by happy that he's mixing it up with what he has at his disposal. Our defence looks a lot more confident with Joel behind them.
ianefc
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That really is a crap word to use, when posting on a open forum. Not knowing who been affected by what.
Just saying
No mate it isn't is it!?
Nil Satis and all that...
Saw a shout the other day that we should be attracting Ancelotti to the job...
Ashtonian
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But its not three points is three points, when the only teams we can beat are in the relegation zone. So if we beat newcastle then great, but it is no progress because we have already beaten them! And by that point, The progression comes from beating teams who aren't going down currently, i.e stoke liverpool, west brom etc
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