I think he knows that mate, and the players definitely do. I just think Martinez is a stubborn believer in not admitting that to the 'club-in-crisis' crazy media, which I also understand.
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I think he knows that mate, and the players definitely do. I just think Martinez is a stubborn believer in not admitting that to the 'club-in-crisis' crazy media, which I also understand.
We've also scored 127 in that same time frame mate.
I think RM's communication skills are, for a smart man, dreadful at times.
I believe he also is a staunch believer in bigging up his squad and not criticising players in public. It goes a long way to explaining some of his comments.
I agree on the '3 goals in the right way' thing, it's ridiculous. Though if he had said, 'if the opposition score a very good goal, then sometimes you have to accept that as good football', or something along those lines, I think it would have been taken better.
First class ticket on the Fume Express to Fumetown mate, with fume and extra fume provided en route.
Agree that he shouldn't come out and say what the media want to hear, but he doesn't help himself at times with some of the things he does come out and say.
Again, I agree. But, and I think it was @kithnou who provided the quote in full in this thread earlier, what he actually said today wasn't too bad. There's been a massive over-reaction because some fans, as they always do, took a single line from the quote, rather than the whole context. Or only heard what they wanted to hear to fit their opinion.
I'm trying to present the other side of the argument, while remaining balanced and I do acknowledge a lot of concerns from people who want him out.
I just don't think sacking him is the best option in any way at this point.
Roberto Martinez asks for Everton fans' patience in wake of cup exit
Martinez is determined to turn things around
Under-fire Roberto Martinez insists he will “give his life” to bring success back to Everton .
The Catalan has come in for fierce criticism in the wake of Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup exit at Manchester City as a frustrating season hit a new low.
Under-fire Roberto Martinez insists he will “give his life” to bring success back to Everton .
The Catalan has come in for fierce criticism in the wake of Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup exit at Manchester City as a frustrating season hit a new low.
Martinez has asked for patience from those disgruntled fans and urged them to back his talented side, despite just three wins in their last 12 games.
Everton head to Carlisle United on Sunday for an FA Cup fourth round tie with many feeling the competition offers the only chance to save their faltering campaign.
And asked if he felt under more pressure after losing at the Etihad, Martinez said: “It is exactly the same.
“Nobody puts more pressure on me than myself.
“Even in the first season here there was a lot of positive feeling around the team and myself and the pressure to maintain the standards on a daily basis and ensure we had a good vision to develop our squad was always the case.
“The pressure in the first season was probably greater than in any other season but at the moment I can understand the feelings of frustration from the outside, we are a big club and you need to have that.
Martinez admits he felt more pressure during his first season in charge
“But I am not a manager who is going to try and justify a defeat or try to find someone to blame because that will not give us glory at the end of the period.
“We need a long and well-thought strategy in order to become a winning team again and I will be the one to give my life to trying to work towards that.”
Martinez has assembled one of the most exciting squads in Everton’s recent history and the Blues boast the Premier League’s most prolific attack.
But their defence is the division’s 14th worst and no side has conceded as many at home as they have.
The Everton boss, however, wants the supporters, despite their frustrations, to hold onto the team’s qualities.
“Try to see, in the middle of the pain, what we have done,” he said.
2016 Getty Images
Gerard Deulofeu of Everton takes on Martin Demichelis and Gael Clichy of Manchester City
“We have players who are expressing incredible talent and swagger in the best moments of their careers, even earlier than that.
“We have to remain with an optimistic view of what we are.
“We played two games with Manchester City, a team that is designed and a team that has experienced success in the last few seasons and a team that is there to win titles.
“Over two legs, we were very unfortunate not to go through.
2016 Getty Images
Martinez shows his anger on the touchline at the Etihad
“That is a real compliment, it is not that we hoped to go through, we attacked Man City, have been eye-to-eye and for the longer period of the tie, we were through.
“And that is a very positive approach, we don’t expect to just win a title but we expect to become a competitive team who can compete constantly with everything and with everyone in the league.
“We are in a tough period but the signs are there and we need to be patient and believe in this strategy of building a winning team that could get us back to where we should be as a football club.”
- 16:51, 29 JAN 2016
- UPDATED 16:52, 29 JAN 2016
- BY PHIL KIRKBRIDE
Martinez is determined to turn things around
Under-fire Roberto Martinez insists he will “give his life” to bring success back to Everton .
The Catalan has come in for fierce criticism in the wake of Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup exit at Manchester City as a frustrating season hit a new low.
Under-fire Roberto Martinez insists he will “give his life” to bring success back to Everton .
The Catalan has come in for fierce criticism in the wake of Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup exit at Manchester City as a frustrating season hit a new low.
Martinez has asked for patience from those disgruntled fans and urged them to back his talented side, despite just three wins in their last 12 games.
Everton head to Carlisle United on Sunday for an FA Cup fourth round tie with many feeling the competition offers the only chance to save their faltering campaign.
And asked if he felt under more pressure after losing at the Etihad, Martinez said: “It is exactly the same.
“Nobody puts more pressure on me than myself.
“Even in the first season here there was a lot of positive feeling around the team and myself and the pressure to maintain the standards on a daily basis and ensure we had a good vision to develop our squad was always the case.
“The pressure in the first season was probably greater than in any other season but at the moment I can understand the feelings of frustration from the outside, we are a big club and you need to have that.
Martinez admits he felt more pressure during his first season in charge
“But I am not a manager who is going to try and justify a defeat or try to find someone to blame because that will not give us glory at the end of the period.
“We need a long and well-thought strategy in order to become a winning team again and I will be the one to give my life to trying to work towards that.”
Martinez has assembled one of the most exciting squads in Everton’s recent history and the Blues boast the Premier League’s most prolific attack.
But their defence is the division’s 14th worst and no side has conceded as many at home as they have.
The Everton boss, however, wants the supporters, despite their frustrations, to hold onto the team’s qualities.
“Try to see, in the middle of the pain, what we have done,” he said.
2016 Getty Images
Gerard Deulofeu of Everton takes on Martin Demichelis and Gael Clichy of Manchester City
“We have players who are expressing incredible talent and swagger in the best moments of their careers, even earlier than that.
“We have to remain with an optimistic view of what we are.
“We played two games with Manchester City, a team that is designed and a team that has experienced success in the last few seasons and a team that is there to win titles.
“Over two legs, we were very unfortunate not to go through.
2016 Getty Images
Martinez shows his anger on the touchline at the Etihad
“That is a real compliment, it is not that we hoped to go through, we attacked Man City, have been eye-to-eye and for the longer period of the tie, we were through.
“And that is a very positive approach, we don’t expect to just win a title but we expect to become a competitive team who can compete constantly with everything and with everyone in the league.
“We are in a tough period but the signs are there and we need to be patient and believe in this strategy of building a winning team that could get us back to where we should be as a football club.”
mmmmsnouts
Player Valuation: £40m
He doesn't have to call out players but a simple "our defending and goalkeeping isn't good enough, I need to fix it" would help a lot. The things he says make him sound like he doesn't watch the games.
I've always backed him mate, and still do, and to tell you the truth, I never read the full quote, I just picked up on the 'underachieving' line that one of the lads put up. Will go and have a read of the full piece now.
toffee matt
Player Valuation: £60m
Roberto Martinez asks for Everton fans' patience in wake of cup exit
Martinez declares he will "give his life" to making Everton successful again
- 16:51, 29 JAN 2016
- UPDATED 16:52, 29 JAN 2016
- BY PHIL KIRKBRIDE
Martinez is determined to turn things around
Under-fire Roberto Martinez insists he will “give his life” to bring success back to Everton .
The Catalan has come in for fierce criticism in the wake of Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup exit at Manchester City as a frustrating season hit a new low.
Under-fire Roberto Martinez insists he will “give his life” to bring success back to Everton .
The Catalan has come in for fierce criticism in the wake of Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup exit at Manchester City as a frustrating season hit a new low.
Martinez has asked for patience from those disgruntled fans and urged them to back his talented side, despite just three wins in their last 12 games.
Everton head to Carlisle United on Sunday for an FA Cup fourth round tie with many feeling the competition offers the only chance to save their faltering campaign.
And asked if he felt under more pressure after losing at the Etihad, Martinez said: “It is exactly the same.
“Nobody puts more pressure on me than myself.
“Even in the first season here there was a lot of positive feeling around the team and myself and the pressure to maintain the standards on a daily basis and ensure we had a good vision to develop our squad was always the case.
“The pressure in the first season was probably greater than in any other season but at the moment I can understand the feelings of frustration from the outside, we are a big club and you need to have that.
Martinez admits he felt more pressure during his first season in charge
“But I am not a manager who is going to try and justify a defeat or try to find someone to blame because that will not give us glory at the end of the period.
“We need a long and well-thought strategy in order to become a winning team again and I will be the one to give my life to trying to work towards that.”
Martinez has assembled one of the most exciting squads in Everton’s recent history and the Blues boast the Premier League’s most prolific attack.
But their defence is the division’s 14th worst and no side has conceded as many at home as they have.
The Everton boss, however, wants the supporters, despite their frustrations, to hold onto the team’s qualities.
“Try to see, in the middle of the pain, what we have done,” he said.
2016 Getty Images
Gerard Deulofeu of Everton takes on Martin Demichelis and Gael Clichy of Manchester City
“We have players who are expressing incredible talent and swagger in the best moments of their careers, even earlier than that.
“We have to remain with an optimistic view of what we are.
“We played two games with Manchester City, a team that is designed and a team that has experienced success in the last few seasons and a team that is there to win titles.
“Over two legs, we were very unfortunate not to go through.
2016 Getty Images
Martinez shows his anger on the touchline at the Etihad
“That is a real compliment, it is not that we hoped to go through, we attacked Man City, have been eye-to-eye and for the longer period of the tie, we were through.
“And that is a very positive approach, we don’t expect to just win a title but we expect to become a competitive team who can compete constantly with everything and with everyone in the league.
“We are in a tough period but the signs are there and we need to be patient and believe in this strategy of building a winning team that could get us back to where we should be as a football club.”
I've been patient for the last 18 months.
Nothing's changed
is it just me or does that basically reek of the 0-1 'WIN' Liverpool came out with against Real Madrid?
Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
Shocked here
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Roberto Martinez asks for Everton fans' patience in wake of cup exit
Martinez declares he will "give his life" to making Everton successful again
- 16:51, 29 JAN 2016
- UPDATED 16:52, 29 JAN 2016
- BY PHIL KIRKBRIDE
Martinez is determined to turn things around
Under-fire Roberto Martinez insists he will “give his life” to bring success back to Everton .
The Catalan has come in for fierce criticism in the wake of Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup exit at Manchester City as a frustrating season hit a new low.
Under-fire Roberto Martinez insists he will “give his life” to bring success back to Everton .
The Catalan has come in for fierce criticism in the wake of Wednesday night’s Capital One Cup exit at Manchester City as a frustrating season hit a new low.
Martinez has asked for patience from those disgruntled fans and urged them to back his talented side, despite just three wins in their last 12 games.
Everton head to Carlisle United on Sunday for an FA Cup fourth round tie with many feeling the competition offers the only chance to save their faltering campaign.
And asked if he felt under more pressure after losing at the Etihad, Martinez said: “It is exactly the same.
“Nobody puts more pressure on me than myself.
“Even in the first season here there was a lot of positive feeling around the team and myself and the pressure to maintain the standards on a daily basis and ensure we had a good vision to develop our squad was always the case.
“The pressure in the first season was probably greater than in any other season but at the moment I can understand the feelings of frustration from the outside, we are a big club and you need to have that.
Martinez admits he felt more pressure during his first season in charge
“But I am not a manager who is going to try and justify a defeat or try to find someone to blame because that will not give us glory at the end of the period.
“We need a long and well-thought strategy in order to become a winning team again and I will be the one to give my life to trying to work towards that.”
Martinez has assembled one of the most exciting squads in Everton’s recent history and the Blues boast the Premier League’s most prolific attack.
But their defence is the division’s 14th worst and no side has conceded as many at home as they have.
The Everton boss, however, wants the supporters, despite their frustrations, to hold onto the team’s qualities.
“Try to see, in the middle of the pain, what we have done,” he said.
2016 Getty Images
Gerard Deulofeu of Everton takes on Martin Demichelis and Gael Clichy of Manchester City
“We have players who are expressing incredible talent and swagger in the best moments of their careers, even earlier than that.
“We have to remain with an optimistic view of what we are.
“We played two games with Manchester City, a team that is designed and a team that has experienced success in the last few seasons and a team that is there to win titles.
“Over two legs, we were very unfortunate not to go through.
2016 Getty Images
Martinez shows his anger on the touchline at the Etihad
“That is a real compliment, it is not that we hoped to go through, we attacked Man City, have been eye-to-eye and for the longer period of the tie, we were through.
“And that is a very positive approach, we don’t expect to just win a title but we expect to become a competitive team who can compete constantly with everything and with everyone in the league.
“We are in a tough period but the signs are there and we need to be patient and believe in this strategy of building a winning team that could get us back to where we should be as a football club.”
Can be summed up simply by 'winning without winning'
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
@ianefc can leak dribble with the best of them.
Shame too as once upon a time I saw him a worthy and respected adversary.
I'll stick to you and your other minion zombies SD when I'm firing the pro-Martinez shot gun. I can't miss with the size of the rhetoric you post. You're not a barrister are you by any chance?
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
What do you mean by Football manager?
Also how often had the phrase 'we deserve better' been used? Can you do a bit of vaulting?
Their is a difference between fans saying what they deserve and what they expect.
I'm not going to regurgitate all the negative stats that have been posted by myself and others to prove expectations aren't being met.
I am interested to know where you are at with Martinez/Everton and depending on that what would it now take to change your stance one way or the other?
Why does he keep saying things along the lines of:
We're on the brink of something special, we want the fans to be proud of us.
We're not proud mate, we're bored. Same old boring ideas, philosophy and team selections.
Thing we're most bored of is the turd that comes out of his mouth, I do like a bit of positivity in a manager but not when it's obvious we are playing well below standards expected of a squad with that amount of talent.
I've supported him more than most but I've had enough now, he needs to go. Just get Mourinho in FFS.
We're on the brink of something special, we want the fans to be proud of us.
We're not proud mate, we're bored. Same old boring ideas, philosophy and team selections.
Thing we're most bored of is the turd that comes out of his mouth, I do like a bit of positivity in a manager but not when it's obvious we are playing well below standards expected of a squad with that amount of talent.
I've supported him more than most but I've had enough now, he needs to go. Just get Mourinho in FFS.
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