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Roberto Martinez discussion

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TheHumbleEgg said:
Some interesting opinions for and against him though, frankly, I struggle to agree with any of the 'for' reasoning because he's pretty well lost me.

What is apparent though, hugely, is the next 3-4 games are gonna shape his future because ANY detrimental results at all and he's gonna further isolate the fan-base I feel, he'll end up at a point of no return from which he has no defence at all.

And should ROM take a knock/need resting at any point then that cannot be deemed 'unlucky', it'd be bad management in not replacing NAISMITH. Which, from my understanding, there is little intention to do before the close of play this window...
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Perhaps he just thought naismith is a donkey and i'll take the £8.5mil and use it in the summer...which is a good long term approach if he needs to add £££ to get the players he wants.
 
bluestevon said:
Like last season he has managed to get me almost not even arsed going into every game as i know we are gonna bugger it up and usually we do now, well done Roberto for managing to kill all expectation from the fans again with one of the most exciting squads we have ever had
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If Yarmolenko signed but took the rest of the season to adapt would your opinion change?
 
Stanley Parker said:
Surely the ability to score goals is a positive!
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For crying out loud mate, look at our players, me and you could send them out there and they'd score goals. The art of management is getting those players to become tactically aware and winning games.

The way we play just looks like a collection of good players with absolutely no awareness whatsoever. It just beggars belief that people can still put a positive spin on 3 wins in 3 months with this team.
 

Carlito said:
I think most teams would be able to score goals at an impressive rate if they completely abandoned the concept of defending.

It's telling that when they managed to keep it tight against Tottenham and Man City, it came at the expense of goals at the other end.
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That made me pwopppper do the LOL....

Then I realised how true it actually is and immediately ceased that LOL.

Pffff....
 
Zatara said:
Perhaps he just thought naismith is a donkey and i'll take the £8.5mil and use it in the summer...which is a good long term approach if he needs to add £££ to get the players he wants.
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....and a terrible short term one which, based on your point above, is suggestive of him more or less abandoning any progression this season.
 
TheHumbleEgg said:
That made me pwopppper do the LOL....

Then I realised how true it actually is and immediately ceased that LOL.

Pffff....
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So true it's frightening. The players are obviously told to just go out and express themselves. Forget about any high intensity when we're not in possession. That's not for us.
 

Zatara said:
Or could it have been that we would play that way this season but due to many injuries to players in defence and also Besic and McCarthy Martinez didnt feel we would be able to shut up shop? Or perhaps lukaku /barkley / deulofeu were knackered due to olaying every game as we donf have the resources to sign other stars like Man UTD can...

My point is that we just dont know and wont know until we see his squad which includes having quality competition for places....
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To be honest, if the sample size we're drawing from isn't large enough for you, there isn't really any point in debating this further.

I'll be interested to see if you're outlook changes by the end of the season.
 
dannyboy said:
Score all the goals you want but if you don't win games you're wasting your time.

I am positive about some of the players we have at the club, unfortunately I'm negative about the manager being able to use them in a way that wins games.
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Things to be positive about; the emergence of Galloway and Mori.

Is it really true that we haven't played Baines Jagielka Stones and Coleman together once this season?

Galloway stepped in at left back like a natural. He doesn't make the forward runs that Baines does, but the defence is probaly more secure for that.

And when we needed a centreback, Mori came in and proved sensational at the back and a threat at the other end too. And he has a twin brother Rogelio. Perhaps we should have a look at him too.

Pundits thought that Roberto had made a great mistake in signing Mori, although I don't know what Merson thought.

Tim Vickery, a South American football correspondent for the BBC and Brazilian football expert, didn't waste any time sticking his neck on the line. "Mori does not have the quality, the pace or the physicality to survive in the Premier League," said Vickery. After the £9.5m man's assured start to life in English football, and another solid display at Upton Park yesterday, the man who wrote him off has held his hands up. 'Clearly, he is considerably better than I had thought,' he writes. 'When the Argentine centre-back joined Everton from River Plate I did not think he stood any chance of success. I felt that in the Premier League he would be exposed for lack of quality, pace and physicality.'

And BBC Sport's chief football writer Phil McNulty says the move is a "gamble". "The Mori figure is one that may raise a few eyebrows as the deal has recently been touted as being worth £5.5m then £6.25m - but nothing as high as £9.5m," he said. "It represents a gamble, at that stated price certainly, for a defender who, according to reports from South America, may take some time to adapt to the pace and tempo of the Premier League."
 

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