Roberto Martinez discussion

[Caolam]

Taking Lennon off was a shocker. I would like to hear what he thought was going to happen.

 

[BigDuncis Blue]

Moshri is a businessman and will not stand for a manager who is out of his depth.
I mean 4 home wins in nearly 9 months how has he got a job here

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As soon as you start staying stuff like that, you know he has to go.

7 home losses and it's only just turned March. They are perfectly entitled to be disgruntled. It's unacceptable.

If the the fans base are turning on themselves (I think over 50% are against him), then he has to go. You need a manager the fans can unite behind not one that divides them. It's no longer a disgruntled few.

If the club get an adequate replacement people will move on

Well said. Although I would say more like 80% want him gone and a big portion of those are getting pretty angry about it now.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

The last result he will have wanted this week of all weeks

 

[Zatara]

He did sign Niasse didn't he?he did replace Lennon with Niasse didn't he?

Seems like 99% of the negative posts blaming the manager for the loss are based around ONE substitution.

Lennon was shot to bits. He's put on a supposed "workhorse and unselfish"forward.

Niasse let him down as did several others.

You realise the crosses should have been stopped at source and the centre backs should have cleared the danger.....

Lukaku missed a penalty.

It was a tactical masterclass before we let in 2 of the goals due to defending which were individuals letting down the team.

 

[DualityNSNO]

The players let him down seemingly every time we lose. It's very obvious, he is in charge of the players. I think the only good point you make in your questions is the Lukaku missing the penalty one. Out of his hands.

The others, however;
Mirrallas being sent off: he is starting with a guy who has let us down in the past, has a major attitude problem and in my opinion, shouldn't have been put into that team since the penalty/sending off rubbish earlier in the season.

Lennon being exhausted: players get tired, it's up to Martinez to deal with that properly. In hindsight, Niasse wasn't the best choice.

More not winning headers: comes from defensive management surely? Plus, he did sign him.

Niasse being dreadful: again, he did sign him.. And brought him on at the wrong time, in the wrong match.

The thing is, for the Lennon point - it wasn't with hindsight was it? Most people in the match thread were saying it's a wrong sub at the time it was happening. And for Niasse - hardly dreadful, just wrong game, wrong time, but he did need the fitness. If anything, Barry on for Lennon and Niasse for Lukaku would've probably been better - toughening up the midfield, as well as a like for like sub and someone to chase down clearances and be a nuisance, basically a fresh pair of legs, up front. Niasse gets a run out, we defend better.

 

[HuddersfieldToffee]

If the margins are so small mate how come this "90% there" genius can't make those "few tweaks" and stop throwing games away?

Isn't making mistakes an example of the tweaks that need to be made? I think for lots of the game against a good side, we competed with 1 less man in a system that was innovative and worked when we had the full compliment.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Seems like 99% of the negative posts blaming the manager for the loss are based around ONE substitution.

Lennon was shot to bits. He's put on a supposed "workhorse and unselfish"forward.

Niasse let him down as did several others.

You realise the crosses should have been stopped at source and the centre backs should have cleared the danger.....

Lukaku missed a penalty.

It was a tactical masterclass before we let in 2 of the goals due to defending which were individuals letting down the team.

But that's the thing Zat, it's not the first time. Defending lets us down every game. If it was happening once or twice every, let's say, 10 games - sure, luck would have it it's not a certain player's day, or a forward put on a good display.

If it happens week in, week out, then who is it to blame? Did Jagielka forget how to head a ball after Moyes left? Or was it just that the team was prepared to defensively deal with those situations?

 

[harry]

Seems like 99% of the negative posts blaming the manager for the loss are based around ONE substitution.

Lennon was shot to bits. He's put on a supposed "workhorse and unselfish"forward.

Niasse let him down as did several others.

You realise the crosses should have been stopped at source and the centre backs should have cleared the danger.....

Lukaku missed a penalty.

It was a tactical masterclass before we let in 2 of the goals due to defending which were individuals letting down the team.

No disrespect mate but do you even understand football?

 

[daz4matty]

@daz4matty From what I can remember, he never said he'd get us into the Champions League, Kenwright said that at the opening press conference and Martinez looked awkward about it.

I am sure bill said martinez said that but bill does tell the odd porky mate

 

[Ashtonian]

Not for me really, i expected 8th this season and we will probably finish there.

Tactics were good i felt. Niasse though made us look like we had 9 men.

As @The Mighty Quint wrote about Jags and Mori i agree with him for the goals.

How does Martinez tell Mirallas to get sent off?
How does Martinez tell Lennon to be exhausted?
How does Martinez tell Mori not to win headers?
How does Martinez tell Niasse to be dreadful?
How does Martinez tell Lukaku to miss the pen?

So many ways the players let him down today. His tactics would have put us 3-0 up with 10 men yet some here are saying hes tactically naive?

Its madness.

How does Martinez tell the team to see out a 2-0 win?

By tactics mate. There is no point in being 2 or even 3 goals up if you don't end up winning the game. Same as Bournemouth same as Chelsea same as stoke same as today.

There's a pattern see, why didn't we have 10 men behind the ball to see the result out in the last 15, that's what teams who win games do?

 

[Seanjd]

Seems like 99% of the negative posts blaming the manager for the loss are based around ONE substitution.

Lennon was shot to bits. He's put on a supposed "workhorse and unselfish"forward.

Niasse let him down as did several others.

You realise the crosses should have been stopped at source and the centre backs should have cleared the danger.....

Lukaku missed a penalty.

It was a tactical masterclass before we let in 2 of the goals due to defending which were individuals letting down the team.

So at what point is a manager to blame? Every goal we concede is an individual to blame, be it the goalkeeper, somebody losing possession, the defenders missing headers. Look at the bigger picture, our defending is pretty poor; why?

 

[Zatara]

The players let him down seemingly every time we lose. It's very obvious, he is in charge of the players. I think the only good point you make in your questions is the Lukaku missing the penalty one. Out of his hands.

The others, however;
Mirrallas being sent off: he is starting with a guy who has let us down in the past, has a major attitude problem and in my opinion, shouldn't have been put into that team since the penalty/sending off rubbish earlier in the season.

Lennon being exhausted: players get tired, it's up to Martinez to deal with that properly. In hindsight, Niasse wasn't the best choice.

More not winning headers: comes from defensive management surely? Plus, he did sign him.

Niasse being dreadful: again, he did sign him.. And brought him on at the wrong time, in the wrong match.

On the defensive coaching.

Do you really think Jags (highly experienced international defender and captain) or Mori (international defender) really need coaching for the 2 goals today? Perhaps Coleman on his poor positioning.

But for me 9/10 times those 2 goals should have and would have been stopped.

 

[Goat]

Still fuming.

 

[LAToffee]

Keep looking for the weak link. Increasingly hard not to see it as being Roberto. Losing when 2-0 up at home with 20 minutes to go is criminal. Kev can go away as well. Did himself no favors today. I hate Everton.

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

Everton Football Club will not progress with Martinez at the helm.

....it really is that simple now isn't it. That's simply a statement of fact now I feel.