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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ton-boss-martinez-moshiri-investment-10998929

There's so many things in that article which make me laugh.





How can he even say that when we conceeded 3 goals in 12 minutes, how can you say we were outstanding and the better side when we lost and conceeded goals!!

Well he's right Azza. For the first 75 (actually, 76) mins up until him taking Lennon off we were fine and played very well.

He was getting his tactics spot on and the team were all doing their jobs.

He does that sub and we capitulate.
 
Tactically outstanding?

Is he on crack?

We shipped 3 goals in 12 minutes after 'tactically' he made a massive mistake.

If he thinks that kind of bilge is what we want to hear then someone needs to pull him to one side. It's an insult to the intelligence of Blues that.

If he'd said 'tactically outstanding for 76 minutes', he'd have been spot on.
 
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ton-boss-martinez-moshiri-investment-10998929

There's so many things in that article which make me laugh.





How can he even say that when we conceeded 3 goals in 12 minutes, how can you say we were outstanding and the better side when we lost and conceeded goals!!


lollollol

FFS i hadn't seen them comments before - I stayed clear from what he had to say over the weekend, think it would have tipped me over the edge.

Evidently i was right.
 

Yes with a bottom half club for the first four years.

He's got what it takes if he's willing to change.

He'd shown since the turn of the year that he was and then manages to go and f it all up.

We are now a bottom half team too thanks to the Spanish Rodgers.
 
hahahaha yeah he would have mate. Shame he brought it all down on himself after that.

As I said mate I'm not defending him at all.

The players were dreadful in the last 15 but it all stemmed from that change from which we lost our shape.

First 75 was one of the best displays I've seen from us (especially 10 men) in a while. It was the best of the resilient Everton under Moyes combined with the best of the counter-attacking style of RM.

If he can't see he messed up big time then I doubt he will ever change - which for all of his past record etc he had showed he could do this season - especially on the road.
 
The other concern i have about Martinez is that i can fully back a manager making mistakes and learning from them when they are young.

It is the fact that nearly every week there is another new mistake being made, and it comes back at some point to haunt us. How he can make so many mistakes and cost us so many points in the process is baffling, and there is no-one telling him otherwise it seems.
 

Im done with him, thought I would calm down over the weekend, but I want him gone even more.

I have stood by him all season, and defended him, but I cant defend him now with these comments, West Brom just went above us!!!!
 
Utter tosh

It had nothing to do with tackle ratio; it was the balance of the team.and lennon was dropping back giving the midfield more support. He went from a 4-4-1 of sorts to a 4-3-2 and we became totally over run in midfield.

You read the analysis on the news feed?
 
As I said mate I'm not defending him at all.

The players were dreadful in the last 15 but it all stemmed from that change from which we lost our shape.

First 75 was one of the best displays I've seen from us (especially 10 men) in a while. It was the best of the resilient Everton under Moyes combined with the best of the counter-attacking style of RM.

If he can't see he messed up big time then I doubt he will ever change - which for all of his past record etc he had showed he could do this season - especially on the road.

The first 75 mins were, as you say Toff, quite exhilarating.

Maybe we need flatten Goodison while the whole place is re-modelled and become the first ever team to play a full season 'on-the-road' - we'd win the lot and then return to our upgraded home as Champions !! :);)
 
All that illustrates is that there's an argument for Lennon to be subbed. It was the fact he brought Niasse on for him rather than a defensive player that was the major problem.

It's Martinez; time and time and time again he cannot shut up shop with the clock running down and us in a lead.

It's not a 'noble' trait; it's not 'aww, isn't he good, always trying to attack'. It's 'He's a poor manager because he cannot MANAGE games and ultimately - criminally - loses games from winning positions'.

He's never going to change - we've had 2 seasons of this now - so he simply has to be sacked and replaced by someone who can manage games and knows how to defend.


Who else would you have brought on?

Baines who is injured
barry who was unwell

or....?

If Niasse had come on and had a good game noone would have said a peep.

note how many forwards utd and arsenal had on after getting red cards at the weekend.
 
The other concern i have about Martinez is that i can fully back a manager making mistakes and learning from them when they are young.

It is the fact that nearly every week there is another new mistake being made, and it comes back at some point to haunt us. How he can make so many mistakes and cost us so many points in the process is baffling, and there is no-one telling him otherwise it seems.


This is the biggest problem, there is no learning from mistakes. Well maybe there is, but there is no action to stop the same mistakes happening again.

Teams know they can just defend 10 yards up the pitch and push our fullbacks back and allow us to play it around the back doing nothing at all. Teams know we struggle with crosses and early balls into the box because we don't recover properly when losing the ball. Teams know we get knackered after 75 minutes.

Everything that was shown as concerning during preseason last season just doesn't seem to have been addressed.
 

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