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Wigan under Roberto never played bad football - they weren't awful like Villa this season. Occasionally they would win games with the sort of swagger you'd expect from a Barcelona - we saw this first hand but regardless of how entertaining they were going forward they just couldn't defend. They didn't close down quickly, they didn't press and they were ripped open every time a hopeful ball was lofted into their area. It made for some incredibly open end to end games that were great to watch as a neutral. Sound familiar?
The man is a fraud - i think he's a very charming fraud and he genuinely believes his way, his philosophy is the right way and you know what, with a team like Barca it would be but in the premierleague it's suicide.
 
the thing that has made me lose major respect to him, is how it's never possibly his fault. He won't be accountable for anything.

...and he never, EVER will mate. EVER.

Even in the latter days at WIGAN he talked up the FA cup progression over & above the dire league form, it served as a mask. Despite them teetering for an age he STILL said he'd no intention to change their style of play. That's not being principled and committed to adhering to your ethos....it's utter madness.
 
from football365:

Roberto Martinez and damaging optimism
It might be the most Martinez-esque anecdote imaginable. At 2-0 up at home to West Ham but down to ten men, Everton’s manager chose to take off winger Aaron Lennon for a forward. Not only that, but Oumar Niasse had only experienced two minutes of Premier League football prior to his introduction. Fifteen minutes later, 2-0 had become 2-3.
Martinez seems a lovely man with a sunny disposition, but his managerial optimism has already strayed far into the grounds of naivety. This is the top-flight coach who said in January: “Would I base the performance on wanting to keep a clean sheet? No… My philosophy is winning games, not keeping clean sheets.”
Until Martinez learns – or accepts – that the two are not mutually exclusive, he will never fulfil his, or Everton’s, potential. Everton have now lost 45 points from winning positions under his management, and 14 since late-November. That’s the difference between 12th position and third, success and failure.
“I thought tactically we were outstanding,” said Martinez after the West Ham defeat. “If you look at the way we got set up in the second half, we were the better side and I think we showed an incredible tactical understanding and character.” Alrite Brendan Rodgers.
It’s a drum this column has been banging for some time, but still there is no improvement. If Martinez sees the style of Everton’s football as something to be prioritised over results, the club has a new billionaire owner who would beg to differ. When a squad with “the most exciting group of young players in Europe” has fewer points than Tony Pulis’ West Brom, aesthetics begin to lose their pull.
“With the seven defeats we can analyse every single one and, apart from Manchester United, in every one we performed in an incredible manner and deserved a lot more,” said Martinez after the game, his head still chilly from being left in the clouds.
No Roberto, you have deserved what you’ve got, especially when you blow three two-goal leads in the space of four months and concede more goals at home than any other Premier League team. Martinez may truly believe that the pressure on him has not increased with Everton’s new-found riches, but he is so very wrong. The last ten games of the league season act as an extended probation period.
“We can’t wait to get good wins, good performances and build something special,” were Martinez’s post-match words on Saturday, again spectacularly unaware of his won underachievement. The Spaniard is digging his own grave with a spade in each hand.
 

It was just a favourable run of fixtures which he also managed to mess up with losses to WBA and Swansea.

If Everton can't defend crosses, then why not stop them at the source? People thought it was Howard and that someone the size of Joel would come out and collect them. It's not the players. Joel suffered from exactly the same thing. If you let players at this level have time and space to pick out good balls they will punish you for it.

Everton don't close down the space or 'press enough as a team', and in fact our performances off the ball are a shambles. I personally think a lot of this is down to fitness as well as organisation, the players just don't seem able to last 90 mins at a decent work rate. Which raises questions about the training.

He's had his chance he needs to go now, and he can take Jones, Lawrence, Bergara and Evans with him.

Inspiring them four aren't they....
 
from football365:

Roberto Martinez and damaging optimism
It might be the most Martinez-esque anecdote imaginable. At 2-0 up at home to West Ham but down to ten men, Everton’s manager chose to take off winger Aaron Lennon for a forward. Not only that, but Oumar Niasse had only experienced two minutes of Premier League football prior to his introduction. Fifteen minutes later, 2-0 had become 2-3.
Martinez seems a lovely man with a sunny disposition, but his managerial optimism has already strayed far into the grounds of naivety. This is the top-flight coach who said in January: “Would I base the performance on wanting to keep a clean sheet? No… My philosophy is winning games, not keeping clean sheets.”
Until Martinez learns – or accepts – that the two are not mutually exclusive, he will never fulfil his, or Everton’s, potential. Everton have now lost 45 points from winning positions under his management, and 14 since late-November. That’s the difference between 12th position and third, success and failure.
“I thought tactically we were outstanding,” said Martinez after the West Ham defeat. “If you look at the way we got set up in the second half, we were the better side and I think we showed an incredible tactical understanding and character.” Alrite Brendan Rodgers.
It’s a drum this column has been banging for some time, but still there is no improvement. If Martinez sees the style of Everton’s football as something to be prioritised over results, the club has a new billionaire owner who would beg to differ. When a squad with “the most exciting group of young players in Europe” has fewer points than Tony Pulis’ West Brom, aesthetics begin to lose their pull.
“With the seven defeats we can analyse every single one and, apart from Manchester United, in every one we performed in an incredible manner and deserved a lot more,” said Martinez after the game, his head still chilly from being left in the clouds.
No Roberto, you have deserved what you’ve got, especially when you blow three two-goal leads in the space of four months and concede more goals at home than any other Premier League team. Martinez may truly believe that the pressure on him has not increased with Everton’s new-found riches, but he is so very wrong. The last ten games of the league season act as an extended probation period.
“We can’t wait to get good wins, good performances and build something special,” were Martinez’s post-match words on Saturday, again spectacularly unaware of his won underachievement. The Spaniard is digging his own grave with a spade in each hand.

Terrifying that...
 
He'd make a great shopkeeper...<Drum roll>...he never shuts up shop!!!

I'm here all week...

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He reminds me of the Captain of the Titanic who refused to accept that his ship is sinking until it actually happened.

Seems oblivious to what is so bleeding obvious to everybody but him and the mainstream media and will not even accept that there is a problem and seems to think ignorance is bliss as long as we play good football.

If we do go out to Chelsea in the cup (pains me to say this but it looks likely we will) I still don't think he will walk because there is a bigger picture don't you know !!!

I hope that bigger picture is not relegation
 
He reminds me of the Captain of the Titanic who refused to accept that his ship is sinking until it actually happened.

Seems oblivious to what is so bleeding obvious to everybody but him and the mainstream media and will not even accept that there is a problem and seems to think ignorance is bliss as long as we play good football.

If we do go out to Chelsea in the cup (pains me to say this but it looks likely we will) I still don't think he will walk because there is a bigger picture don't you know !!!

I hope that bigger picture is not relegation

You talking about @davek or Roberto?
 

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