I was listening to Talk sport and also the phone in after the game on BBC merseyside, there was a few fans that was saying "hes built the best squad in years give him time!. however is that not the whole issue? hes has argubly a top 4 side now for 2 years and we have finished in the bottom half 2 years in a row (assuming we carry on playing like this). when was the last time that happened? that is unbelivable. he needs to go now, the money we have spent, the players we have. we should be top 4, especially this year!.
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Roberto Martinez discussion
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Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
I was originally referring to our record against them in general, not solely under his stewardship mate.
I'd forgot that 2-2. That was probably the start of our self capitulation.
Give over. £110mil on 23 players...
that's really not much.
He's underachieving but our motto that loads seem to live by entitles us to nothing.
He's messed up but the players need to shoulder a lot of responsibility as well. They're also failing to prove this theory that they're so great.
Little Ralphy
Player Valuation: £15m
I don't think you'd need to replace him immediately mate. Get rid, let people within the club know it's not been good enough. Tell them this club is heading for bigger things and if they want to be a part of it they need to work hard.
Put Unsworth or someone in as caretaker. Then have the process of finding a manager between now and the Summer. Once you get the deal in place for them to take over in the Summer, you hit the headlines again.
You could have totally changed the outlook of the club in a matter of months, especially in terms of the media profile. If you can get that big name as well, then even better, suddenly the Summer looks far more promising. As opposed to a manager who people are rightly questioning who looks to have us in the bottom half two seasons running with this group.
I like Flores as a manager. Not sure he'd be my first choice but I wouldn't object.
In all walks of life there are people who command instant respect. Be it from their personality or from their achievements. The rs have done that with Klopp, they've gone from players second guessing Brenda to Klopp having the respect of everyone straight away. People may not agree with him, but they'll follow him cos of who he is.
People like De Boer and Koeman who you mentioned have both won European Cups, and played at the very highest level. They would command instant respect as well, on that alone.
Toffeeslam
Player Valuation: £35m
Looking at the BBC poll on the website regarding who is next for the sack, Martinez is 4th or 5th with only 3%
depressing that.. I know McClaren is under pressure and wait out in front but only 3% for Martinez ?!?!
sums it up really
next two league games are home to Arsenal and away to United.
God knows where we will be in the table after those two games.
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Player Valuation: £60m
Good post.
give over?
what squad in the 11 teams placed above us are better than ours?
west brom? no
stoke? no
southampton? no
west ham? no
man u? no
liverpool? no
arsenal? yes
chelsea? yes
Leicester? no
spurs?yes
city? yes
we are masisvly under performing, watofrd are 1 point behid and bournemouth 3 points.
kenada_blue
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Dunno if it's been put up.
Roberto Martínez and Brendan Rodgers: the flawed disciples of Pep Guardiola
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Roberto Martínez and Brendan Rodgers: the flawed disciples of Pep Guardiola
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BigDuncis Blue
Player Valuation: £5m
It is a bit depressing, but that is looking at how BK and the club has stayed loyal to Moyes and to extent RM. The difference now is, RM has lost the majority of the fans, so this could change things. Then again we win on Saturday, it could change again. IMO it shouldnt matter, we win 5.0 on Saturday, he should still get the push
Ratkiller
Player Valuation: £2.5m
The league table doesn't lie. Those teams that are above us are better than us.
They have won more games and amassed more points.
That's the only way you can measure anything.
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
We blew a 2 0 lead in that draw, something that has since gone on to be the standard.
Ashtonian
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who needs to shoulder responasbility in the team though mate?
Lukaku- over 20 goals.
Barkley - neaqrly double figures for goals and assists
Del- nearly double figures for assists
Lennon- arguably our stand out player currently
Besic- keeps getting injured
cleverley- plays well on left, terrible in middle, not his choice where he plays
Barry- apparently our most experienced player and league winner
the defence- suddenly become terrible under a different manager?
I am lost as to who in the team we can point the blame at as well. The only constant factor this last 2 seasons has been the manager, the blame lies with the manager no-one else. any other club would have sacked him by now, and clubs who did sack their managers despite them 'over achieving' have gone on to great success.
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
disputable imo
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