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Roberto Martinez discussion

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Supposing he got sacked if we lose vs Chelsea. Switching managers now to a caretaker manager may well make up the minds of Lukaku and Stones that they are leaving - irregardless of who the permanent manager ends up being.

You're making the assumption that playing in a team that's underperforming for a manager who can't see the problems won't make up their minds

Martinez being allowed to stay may send the message that we lack ambition to improve and they are better off elsewhere
 
I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but, reluctantly I have come to the conclusion that he is out of his depth, I have tried to have confidence in him because I absolutely hated the Moyes way of playing and couldn't stand his defeatist attitude, knife to a gunfight etc. However, I believe that Roberto is too stubborn or arrogant or whatever to realise that he is making mistakes, he really has to learn very very quickly or go.
 
He has to win all 4 if he's going to equal Moyes worst season. Last season he only had 7 which was the worst since Smith.
In fairness this team for both potential and flair is nowhere near the smith era or mostly under Moyes. I agree the stats don't lie but there are positives with RM notably the attacking improvement - 2nd highest scorers is no mean feat in this league. Not defending the goals conceded at home - it's unacceptable but in contrast to the away form its an odd position. While we all rightly expect more we must also remember it was the manager himself who put the majority of the potential together.
 

Thing is lids, we get/make it/stagger, to the end of the season, Wembley wins or no, (under the old regime especially) there may well be a Board meeting and statement;

'Reluctantly as of, blah blah thanks etc.'

I would like to think that The Club have a replacement already lined up...but you never know.

Half the squad will be in one Euro Training camp or another. So will many of the potential recruits. Will we have some sort of lash up like after the last WC? It's the end of July or so, the season starts in 2 or 3 weeks, the Window closed in 4 or 5 and the New Guy hasn't seen a ball kicked in anger yet.

I'd like to hope that The Mosh is a bit more on the ball than that.
 
You're making the assumption that playing in a team that's underperforming for a manager who can't see the problems won't make up their minds

Martinez being allowed to stay may send the message that we lack ambition to improve and they are better off elsewhere

I'm not making the assumption at all.

You've ignored a key word in my post... 'may'

It may not effect them either way - or as you say keeping RM may mean they want to leave.

However, IMO, the team isn't 'not playing for him'. It's one of the few things he has going for him that the players are still on side. How long that will last is up in the air.
 

Thing is lids, we get/make it/stagger, to the end of the season, Wembley wins or no, (under the old regime especially) there may well be a Board meeting and statement;

'Reluctantly as of, blah blah thanks etc.'

I would like to think that The Club have a replacement already lined up...but you never know.

Half the squad will be in one Euro Training camp or another. So will many of the potential recruits. Will we have some sort of lash up like after the last WC? It's the end of July or so, the season starts in 2 or 3 weeks, the Window closed in 4 or 5 and the New Guy hasn't seen a ball kicked in anger yet.

I'd like to hope that The Mosh is a bit more on the ball than that.

Which is why it would be best to frogmarch this faker off the premises now
 
Thing is lids, we get/make it/stagger, to the end of the season, Wembley wins or no, (under the old regime especially) there may well be a Board meeting and statement;

'Reluctantly as of, blah blah thanks etc.'

I would like to think that The Club have a replacement already lined up...but you never know.

Half the squad will be in one Euro Training camp or another. So will many of the potential recruits. Will we have some sort of lash up like after the last WC? It's the end of July or so, the season starts in 2 or 3 weeks, the Window closed in 4 or 5 and the New Guy hasn't seen a ball kicked in anger yet.

I'd like to hope that The Mosh is a bit more on the ball than that.

Exactly. Give a new manager time to figure out what he's got before the euros. Even if it's just to allow them to identify who or what type of player to watch out for at the euros
 
Chris Sutton is not impressed with Martinez at all - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03lv187

Says he's a joke and an embarrassment and that he blames everyone but himself after every game.

I watched it and although he's right in some departments he's an utter utter ted mate. Genuinely a horrid person as well by all accounts. He hates us as well. Never got a good thing to say about Everton - not just Martinez.

He criticised us for playing with high full backs and saying that's why we concede.

Utter tripe. We concede because we don't stop the crosses at source and sit too deep, with our defenders seemingly incapable of heading the ball.

For all of his faults RM often gets criticised by the national media for things that actually he doesn't do that wrong. The basics are his set pieces and crosses which literally get no mention by the media.
 
Exactly. Give a new manager time to figure out what he's got before the euros. Even if it's just to allow them to identify who or what type of player to watch out for at the euros

Wally, there is nobody available right now who would come in and guarantee improvement/leave the job they are in now at this stage in the season.

Flores? No he won't leave Watford yet.
De Boer? He won't leave Ajax yet.

Etc etc and that's just two examples.

If it's going to be done it has to be at the end of the season.
 

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