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Roberto Martinez discussion

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But mate, surely you are at least slightly uncomfortable with the win ratio that R Martinez has bought to Everton (not to mention Wigan). I remain a little confused as to how a normally rational person like you, continues to flog a dead horse. R Martinez is in charge of a hugely talented team...and we're currently 12th. We have won 4 games at home all season. His selections are all over the shop as are his substitutions. He is tactically naïve yet too stubborn and arrogant to concede anything other than the "I thought we were incredible and deserved the 3 points" BS he trots out after nearly every game.
I was pleased when Martinez got the job as he looked and sounded like a breath of fresh air. But incontrovertible facts have doused such hopeful optimism.
In the summer we need to get rid, or next season will be deja vu all over again...

His selections are often spot on.

We were set up perfectly vs W.Ham until Kev got sent off, and even then when we reshuffled he made the right calls.

What is poor and everyone will admit is his ability to change tact when needed in a game. Too many times in those crucial moments he fails to do so - or leaves it too late.
 
Who would you swap out of our first team for a West Ham player? I'd have Payet on the left, probably one of their holding mids to partner Besic. Their keeper is also alright, that would be it for me. If you don't think we haven't got a better squad than Weat Ham, you really have to ask yourself whose fault that is.

Cresswell on form would get in over Baines or Oviedo. Reid is a very good centre half.

I'd say we just edge it mate but not by much.
 
Absolutely mate.

He's making mistakes, he knows this. He isn't a total moron, despite what people in here say. He has made changes recently which have made us look a lot more solid.

One more season. Take stock. See what's out there.
If he wasn't a total moron we wouldn't be in 12th. It's pretty good to have a squad this good in 12th.
 
Tbh mate I just don't like the fact the motto is held against the team all the time - maybe it's just me.

However, I will say that Moyes tended to bottle it when the 'NSNO' was needed the most. Then again, RM doesn't so much as bottle it, as just go a bit trippy...

RM's big game record is just as bad if not worse than Moyes. I've counted one game of note (Arsenal home 13/14) that we've won (compounded somewhat by losing to Palace straight after). Every other significant game against decent opposition (derbies, Europa knockouts, cup games v prem opposition, games away at top 6) we haven't shown up for at all.
 
Cresswell on form would get in over Baines or Oviedo. Reid is a very good centre half.

I'd say we just edge it mate but not by much.

The key here is 'on form'. Our players are in rank form and that's down to the manager. Talent wise Cresswell can't touch Baines and Reid is nowhere near Stones. Payet aside there shouldn't even be a debate about the forward positions. Talent wise we're miles ahead of them but whereas we've been dragged down by our manager West Ham have been boosted by theirs.
 

But mate, surely you are at least slightly uncomfortable with the win ratio that R Martinez has bought to Everton (not to mention Wigan). I remain a little confused as to how a normally rational person like you, continues to flog a dead horse. R Martinez is in charge of a hugely talented team...and we're currently 12th. We have won 4 games at home all season. His selections are all over the shop as are his substitutions. He is tactically naïve yet too stubborn and arrogant to concede anything other than the "I thought we were incredible and deserved the 3 points" BS he trots out after nearly every game.
I was pleased when Martinez got the job as he looked and sounded like a breath of fresh air. But incontrovertible facts have doused such hopeful optimism.
In the summer we need to get rid, or next season will be deja vu all over again...
His home form does worry me yes, it would worry me a lot less if we weren't scoring. The Defence needs a kick up the proverbials, the whole baby doesn't need throwing out with the Bathwater. There have been defensive improvements, we block more crosses than any other team (or whatever the stat was, we just need to do more. 3 out of England's back four at the Euros can't be this bad, yet it's personal mistakes and lapses in concentration that are killing us. It needs sorting, nobody is arguing with that.

His Substitution are NOT all over the shop, they are generally fully explainable at the time but there is no interest in that because it doesn't fit the narrative of Boos.
 
we did not tend to lose in the last few minutes under moyes granted, however we would hardly ever win the big games and often lose leads - chelsea final, liverpool semi...the way we have lost games under martinez is alot more painful so highlighted more

we cant go back to the moyes style era, that brought us very little

That is the thing though, go back to the wigan fans views i put up yesterday in here. They pretty much said the same, martinez will deliver some terrible decisions and terrible results but some great ones among them. We can win the derby for arguments sake, but lose the three games before it which is not really adding up to anything in the scheme of things.

I am not advocating having another Moyes in any way shape or form, i am simply saying that Moyes knew when to hold a win and when to keep the team attacking. It is managerial basics, Martinez seems to lack that, hoping for the phenomenal finish where we keep scoring until west ham give up.

We would just have had everyone saying Bobby was wrong because we were sitting back, inviting pressure, had no outball, no ambition etc if he'd have done that.

There is no decision Bobby can make and not get lambasted for being wrong by a vocal section of our support and especially on here.

I disagree mate, simply because the points at the end of the day is what would have counted. Considering our current league form, if we walked away with 3 points from west ham leading to an fa cup game, any of us would have accepted it. At the end of the day we all want the team to win, so if 15 minutes of defending is what is required i don't think many would have argued against it, more praised him for at least wanting to see the result out.
 
RM's big game record is just as bad if not worse than Moyes. I've counted one game of note (Arsenal home 13/14) that we've won (compounded somewhat by losing to Palace straight after). Every other significant game against decent opposition (derbies, Europa knockouts, cup games v prem opposition, games away at top 6) we haven't shown up for at all.

United 2x in the first season

Liverpool derby at Goodison was one of the best games in about 15 years

Chelsea first season and this season. Should have been twice if not for the officials like. City at home in the lg cup.

I'm not defending him mate just pointing that out.
 
Tbh mate I just don't like the fact the motto is held against the team all the time - maybe it's just me.

However, I will say that Moyes tended to bottle it when the 'NSNO' was needed the most. Then again, RM doesn't so much as bottle it, as just go a bit trippy...
Actually mate, I do agree..yeah Moyes did actually bottle the big games but I will say in his defense we bloody fought like trojans for every win we had....That fight and tenacity is missing now.
 

Moyes did actually get Nsno right in a way yeah. He had a meagre budget compared to Bob so really had a lot less talent to work with but we always over achieved, I would call that far more NSNO than the tripe Ive been sitting through for two seasons now.

It's a shame it wasn't NSNO under Moyes when we played the so called big teams, instead of just rolling over, you only had to listen to some of the things he came out with after he left us, like he was just happy to get out of Old Trafford alive when we played the Mancs, also him saying, the difference between being Everton manager, and being Man U manager when playing Chelsea, is he can now go out and try and beat them, knife to a gunfight quote, I think he also came out with something about playing the RS at Anfield.
 
"There is no decision Bobby can make and not get lambasted for being wrong by a vocal section of our support and especially on here."

Martinez is the manager of a premier league club, one that so happens to be an illustrious one, a league watched by millions around the globe and as a result scrutinized with every decision he makes. If he gets lambasted for getting it wrong and he's got it wrong so many times, it's expected, part of the course, get over and get used to it. He himself will even admit that. Then there's that thing again "vocal section" as if Goodison is by nature a library, besides the right that people who are spending their wages have every right to voice their disapproval. Just exactly what makes you an arbiter of when and where supporters can show dissatisfaction? Finally if you think this grand website is the only site were supporters are voicing their concerns. Let me tell you mate, you're wrong. Dead wrong.
 
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United 2x in the first season

Liverpool derby at Goodison was one of the best games in about 15 years

Chelsea first season and this season. Should have been twice if not for the officials like. City at home in the lg cup.

I'm not defending him mate just pointing that out.
United had been decimated by Moyes.

The derby in his first season we conceded a last minute equaliser and drew.

Chelsea in his first season fair enough.

Chelsea this season were in an absolute state when we played them but ok.

City in the league cup doesn't matter because we lost the 2nd leg and went out.

Martinez's record in big games and against the best is very, very poor.
 
When virtually every manager amasses 72 points on an average net spend then I'll take them, no problem

Well I'm asking for managers who realistically can come to Everton and do what Martinez has done in terms of points totals (because only the 72 points he got and more will get us what they're apparent crying out for - a CL spot), to spend average net spends and secure quality young talent and nurture them to first team performers; to have us playing freely and scoring bucket loads.

You name the managers we can expect realistically to get and I'll go from there.


Phil McNulty is a nobhead hack. Why would anyone be arsed what he thinks? He's almost less than nothing. An amoeba.

A lot of people wanted Kendall gone. I have no regard for what 'a lot of people' think, tbh

Pulis and Everton should never be seen in the same sentence mate. There's no context in the world that justifies that abomination.

I have just kept in some of your responses to points which people have made at you, as mine was included in this. From your replies I would like to retort with the following.

1. I cannot believe you are still harping on about a fluke season he had over nearly 2 full seasons ago. I really don't see how that has any relevance to the 2 subsequent poor seasons that have followed and more importantly the one we are having now, which for some reason you don't seem to think is that bad, despite the shocking defeats we have suffered at GP and the unprecedented (in recent years) number of goals we are conceding.

2. Your response about McNulty is a bit lame, his opinion is every bit as valid as everybody else's and you cannot just use that childish argument every time somebody disagrees with what you think. I am willing to bet, as he has made a living out of the game his knowledge is probably going to surpass yours, especially after the stuff I have read on here from you!

3 as for asking everybody to "name a manager" to replace Martinez, if you don't think there is anybody out there or you can't see life beyond Martinez, a man with a worst premier league record than Tony Pulis who you seem to take great joy in having a pop at, I would say that is down to your lack of knowledge or just a deliberate attempt to dismiss any suggestions put before you, again a bit like the McNulty point above, its like debating with an 8 year old, or my 76 year old mother who can't see past the end of their own nose in any debate about anything at all. Are you really old by any chance? I have only found this level of debating before from people who are either not very bright, or old and stuck in their ways.

4. You "have no regard to what others think?" I guess the simple response to that is, why are you spending half your existence on an Everton forum having these debates? Just to get your point across? Thinking that if you should loudest everybody will go with your opinion? Bit worrying that mate.

5. I personally see no point in keeping him if we go out this weekend and hopefully our new owner won't either. He is starting to be picked on now in the media for his underachieving and his nonsensical blaming of everybody else but himself. He is being found out big time and if it carries on, it is only a matter of time before he is issued his P45.

I still hope he turns it around and we beat Chelsea and go on to run until the end of the season, highly unlikely though if the past 2 seasons are anything to go by. Fingers crossed though.
 
United 2x in the first season

Liverpool derby at Goodison was one of the best games in about 15 years

Chelsea first season and this season. Should have been twice if not for the officials like. City at home in the lg cup.

I'm not defending him mate just pointing that out.

Yeah but to be fair Moyes won a load of these type of games (what I would consider bigger games) yet got called a bottler.

Liverpool fa cup double header
United fa cup semi final
United home game 04/05
City games home and away loads of times.

Yet he ultimately ended up being called a bottler, something Roberto apparently isn't.

But look at the games you've listed.

Both United games meaningless league games v Moyes' United who finished 7th.

Goodidon Derby we threw away allowing Liverpool to score with most of their efforts on target and three set pieces (classic bottling)

Chelsea games were home games early season and of little significance. Moyes regularly picked up these sort of scalps.

The City game was first leg of a tie we ultimately lost, just like Kiev.


I can see your point mate, I personally don't think either manager are bottlers, but both have an annoying habit of only winning when it doesn't matter.
 

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