Roberto Martinez discussion

[Hong Kong Phooey]

After seemingly getting away with it for far too long, it seems the media have finally woken up when it comes to Martinez.

They're all at it on social media, not just fans but journo's and ex pro's.

The heat is definitely getting cranked up. I think he badly needs a result on Saturday.



That's one example.

 

[Duncan Disordely]

That article cites Mirallas as an exciting young player and claims Del is a 'seasoned pro'.

It also says Howard has been used sparingly...

I'm not saying I don't agree with the general gist, but the above made me chuckle

I'd re-read it mate!

 

[bcblue1878]

Yeh he gets until May for me.

If he wins us the FA Cup or somehow gets top 7, then that will mean he deserves some (and I stress some) time next season - but hopefully the owner (whoever that is) will set him targets that if he does not meet by the 10 game mark then he is out.

It's a lot easier to get a manager in the summer or - conversely - around October - than it is in March or April.

Sorry BlueToff, unless I'm missing something here, as I said in an earlier reply I don't get this 7-8 games in to next season, or "conversely around October" bit. Surely any decent manager, particularly of the calibre we should be looking at if/when RM goes ain't going to be available in October? If the decision is to be taken/or if he even makes the decision himself, the time to replace him is at the end of this season, giving the new guy money to money and pre season to work with the players?

Like you I'm perched precariously on the fence at the moment, but I also think making any new appointment a real good exciting one is our best chance of keeping Rom, unfortunately I think John Stones is off whatever happens!

 

[daz4matty]

yes that maybe the case.

But the players also could try showing some grit and proving they're as good as we think they are. A few too many of them have failed to step up when needed this season and they shouldn't escape the blame for that just as Martinez shouldn't escape the blame for his mistakes.

Yes very true my friend i agree with that.
I find it hard to watch them roll over like pussies .
I was lucky to see reidy,brace and pat the man proper men fighting for the badge

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Bring back the cushions
let the people decide

Vox cushionaria

hahaha, the showering of cushions from the TB was the equivalent of the Roman Emperor's thumbs down.

 

[Lanolin]

We would just have had everyone saying Bobby was wrong because we were sitting back, inviting pressure, had no outball, no ambition etc if he'd have done that.

There is no decision Bobby can make and not get lambasted for being wrong by a vocal section of our support and especially on here.

That's utter tripe. If he makes that choice and we lose then yes of course people would be saying that. So he needed to make sure that didn't happen, by making the right choice.

It's not rocket science, the man is paid (extraordinarily well) to make decisions which win football games. If he does that then great, if he doesn't then he will get slaughtered. Nobody would be lambasting the man if we were top of the league i can assure you. I can't for the life of me see what's difficult to understand about it.

 

[Number_25]

I think our biggest problem isn't the manager, but the fans.

Home support is dreadful.

 

[BlueToff]

What do you need anyone to write a 'well-balanced' article about his positive and negative achievements for? Just look at his win ratio since he's been here and over his full career. Compare it with other managers (many of whom we look down our noses at.) Look at the league table in relation to the calibre of our squad and the comparative league positions/squads of many clubs around & immediately us.

Then make your own mind up.

If still unsure, wait until after Chelsea have knocked us out on Saturday and study the whole picture again without any FA cup gloss on it.

POSITIVES:

- His transfer record
- His integration of youth into the first team
- Giving said youth players key roles in the squad
- His style of play in terms of attacking is the best we've had in 30 years
- Integrating a system throughout the club that will ultimately lead to better chances of sustained success through both squad building and also academy and club building over the coming years
- His team set up (barring a few anomalies such as Palace (H) first season and Kiev (A) second) is often spot on

NEGATIVES:

- His knack of not seeing the blindingly obvious until it is too late (Howard)
- His inability to react/be proactive to prevent a situation occurring that puts us on the back foot
- Medaling with a team at the wrong time in a game (e.g Saturday vs W.Ham)
- His refusal/inability to accept that he needs help defensively and needs to change his way of defending - especially from crosses
- His inability to instil the mentality we had in the first season and in the past of being able to see out games
- Terrible home form

So, overall, I'd say it's about level, which is why for me he gets until the end of the season (for now).

I think my current view is I like everything RM is trying to achieve and think he is going about it in the right way in terms of building the club up to incorporate a style of play that suits us and the young players we are producing (Barkley, Dowell, Ledson etc...).

Ultimately, however, I feel he may not be the man who can take that system up to the next level due to his defensive in-efficiencies - or inability to fix those in-efficiencies, and that's why a change may have to be made.

 

[BlueToff]

I think our biggest problem isn't the manager, but the fans.

Home support is dreadful.

Unless you're wumming mate then you're very wrong.

Goodison has been back to it's best in the last few weeks.

 

[daz4matty]

I think our biggest problem isn't the manager, but the fans.

Home support is dreadful.

That is rubbish.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

We didn't beat them all. You put forward the 3-3 with Liverpool as if it was a great result.

Moyes got called a bottler, if Martinez has got an equal record doesn't that make him a bottler? That Palace game at home in his first season was one of the biggest bottle jobs going.

Couldn't Moyes saying "I was just happy to get out of Old Trafford alive" point to him being a bottler?

They may have the same records, but Martinez has a different attitude to Moyes.

 

[Hong Kong Phooey]

That stat above about points dropped from winning positions is horrendous. Is it just "game management", or it it fitness?

Maybe both? Michael Ball has written in his latest column that he's concerned about our fitness levels as everyone seems to run out of gas with 20 minutes to go.

That could well be a factor in why we capitulate so often late in games.

The players themselves have gone on record and said pre season was more about ball work rather than fitness.

That's just incompetence isn't it? The more time goes on the more I want him gone.

Get a new man in and let the new owner give HIM the funds in the summer to get his own players in.

 

[hktoffee]

I think our biggest problem isn't the manager, but the fans.

Home support is dreadful.

By the same token, not Walter Smith and Mike Walker' faults?

 

[Lanolin]

Couldn't Moyes saying "I was just happy to get out of Old Trafford alive" point to him being a bottler?

Or it could point to him saying something positive about his new employers and the fans of his new club. And when I say could, I mean does.

I'm not defending Moyes, he did a good job but his time had more than run out as far as I was concerned. The constant use of two out of context quotes to run him down is beyond tiresome though.

 

[Ashtonian]

POSITIVES:

- His transfer record
- His integration of youth into the first team
- Giving said youth players key roles in the squad
- His style of play in terms of attacking is the best we've had in 30 years
- Integrating a system throughout the club that will ultimately lead to better chances of sustained success through both squad building and also academy and club building over the coming years
- His team set up (barring a few anomalies such as Palace (H) first season and Kiev (A) second) is often spot on

NEGATIVES:

- His knack of not seeing the blindingly obvious until it is too late (Howard)
- His inability to react/be proactive to prevent a situation occurring that puts us on the back foot
- Medaling with a team at the wrong time in a game (e.g Saturday vs W.Ham)
- His refusal/inability to accept that he needs help defensively and needs to change his way of defending - especially from crosses
- His inability to instil the mentality we had in the first season and in the past of being able to see out games

So, overall, I'd say it's about level, which is why for me he gets until the end of the season (for now).

I think my current view is I like everything RM is trying to achieve and think he is going about it in the right way in terms of building the club up to incorporate a style of play that suits us and the young players we are producing (Barkley, Dowell, Ledson etc...).

Ultimately, however, I feel he may not be the man who can take that system up to the next level due to his defensive in-efficiencies - or inability to fix those in-efficiencies, and that's why a change may have to be made.

another negative mate, his teams don't win many games.........