Roberto Martinez discussion

[BernieWright13]

This season has made me sad. I was up for it and giving RM another chance(only in my head) and we started off with a great vibe a feel good factor, we looked like the first season might materialise.

Alas it has fallen woefully short of expectation and is turning into a disaster. His philosophy as he calls it, does have a place but he really needed to find the balance. He hasn't don that and it's wore me down, I can't put up with it and think he should go.

Any other manager in any other profession under performs for 18 months would be gone, this should be no different.

I think a lot of us feel sad/let down if we're honest - especially after the promise of what we thought we were seeing in his 1st season. Not sure if this has been posted already:

Everton could sack Martinez this weekend

 

[Stanley Parker]

When will people like yourself understand there's a time and a place for negative play. 3-0 up and pissing it vs a championship standard QPR is not the time, 2-0 up with ten men vs West Ham is. Besides it's all very consistent with Martinez's obsession with keeping possession at all costs regardless of wether we actually do anything with it but when somebody actually takes the fight to us our players want no part of it. Fans singing and happy to be winning football matches? Shocker! the fans can't win with people like you. It's obvious to everyone week after week at Goodison that even if we do win (on the VERY rare occasion we've managed it over the last two seasons) that It's going to be a long hard painful slog getting over the line. Despite what you and the rest of Martinez's disciples keep telling yourselves, for those of us actually putting our hands in our pockets week after to watch this dross it isn't fun to watch.

1. There is a time and place for negative play.
So you want positive play. Nobody is more positive than Martinez!

2. What does singing school of science have to do with anything?
Fans actually greeted Martinez' arrival with a joyous new song, whereas you claimed that the silent Goodison coincided with Martinez' arrival!

3. For those of us actually putting our hands in our pockets week after to watch this dross it isn't fun to watch.
I've seen some of the most breathtaking and enjoyable football I've ever seen at Goodison this season! The paradox is that it hasn't been converted into home wins.

 

[Zatara]

I am not convinced by the tired argument justifying nutty substitutions.

The squad had just come back from Dubai where they were supposed to have worked on fitness. They had
also had a relatively easy away mid week game. When Lennon came off, the team was coping well defensively and were really dangerous on the break. Lennon especially was playing well, industrious and showing no signs of tiredness and the team structure was denying WHU.

Why change it? And why not make like for like subs? Niasse coming on changed everything. He is new, maybe not match fit, and did not work hard as Lennon had done. It was like watching the WBA game again - bring off your best player and put on a fish out of water. I bet all four defenders had an inward moan when seeing Lennon go off and a new, untested centre-forward come on. That was the real psychological damage.

Finally, I don't know if it has been mentioned but why was Stones playing in midfield with Besic and Barry on the bench?

I used to get headaches trying to understand why DM selected Neville, then why RM selected Howard and now RM's game planning and substitutions.

You've opened about "nutty substitutions" then said Lennon sub wasnt like for like when Lennon was playing in an advanced support striker role which is the same role Niasse was meant to play.

Barry was unfit and Besic had just come back from injury + Baines is also currently injured so 3 players not at 100% on the bench...Deulofeu or Niasse were the options at that stage if he didnt want to risk baines and as it seems barry wasnt fit for more than a few mins game time.

 

[BlueToff]

I think a lot of us feel sad/let down if we're honest - especially after the promise of what we thought we were seeing in his 1st season. Not sure if this has been posted already:

Everton could sack Martinez this weekend

That article is yet more conjecture (from a site nobody has heard of) citing the Telegraph article (which itself is based on no evidence other than the obvious assumption of 'well players don't like losing so they must want him out') as its basis.

 

[Zatara]

This season has made me sad. I was up for it and giving RM another chance(only in my head) and we started off with a great vibe a feel good factor, we looked like the first season might materialise.

Alas it has fallen woefully short of expectation and is turning into a disaster. His philosophy as he calls it, does have a place but he really needed to find the balance. He hasn't don that and it's wore me down, I can't put up with it and think he should go.

Any other manager in any other profession under performs for 18 months would be gone, this should be no different.

Where did you expect we would finish this season?

 

[BlueToff]

Where did you expect we would finish this season?

Personally Zat, and I know this wasn't directed at me, but I think at the start of the season I expected 6th.

Ultimately it looks like i'm going to be disappointed in that but I don't think it's a sackable offence for him not to achieve a target that I thought we could achieve - or any other fan for that matter - other than the targets of the people that matter.

I think on paper our squad is the 6th to 8th best in the country and to be 12th at this stage is poor. There are however a plethora of factors behind that - some down to RM, some down to the players and some not down to either of them.

My current stance is I don't want him to go before the end of the season but for me to be happy with him to stay on or confident we can achieve something with him at the helm next term, then he has to show serious improvements in our home form and maintaining our away form in the rest of the league games.

I want us to give it a serious go in the cup and win the thing.

So, for me, I now expect us to either win the cup or get top 8. I'm not bothered about the Europa League in all honesty but top 8 is around our standing on paper, I believe.

If he does that I'm more than happy for him to stay on with the ultimatum that he has to maintain any hypothetical improvements (mainly in the defence) come the first chunk of next season. If he doesn't he goes.

That's my view - which for what it's worth doesn't matter at all other than as an opinion on here.

 

[kithnou]

Personally Zat, and I know this wasn't directed at me, but I think at the start of the season I expected 6th.

Ultimately it looks like i'm going to be disappointed in that but I don't think it's a sackable offence for him not to achieve a target that I thought we could achieve - or any other fan for that matter - other than the targets of the people that matter.

I think on paper our squad is the 6th to 8th best in the country and to be 12th at this stage is poor. There are however a plethora of factors behind that - some down to RM, some down to the players and some not down to either of them.

My current stance is I don't want him to go before the end of the season but for me to be happy with him to stay on or confident we can achieve something with him at the helm next term, then he has to show serious improvements in our home form and maintaining our away form in the rest of the league games.

I want us to give it a serious go in the cup and win the thing.

So, for me, I now expect us to either win the cup or get top 8. I'm not bothered about the Europa League in all honesty but top 8 is around our standing on paper, I believe.

If he does that I'm more than happy for him to stay on with the ultimatum that he has to maintain any hypothetical improvements (mainly in the defence) come the first chunk of next season. If he doesn't he goes.

That's my view - which for what it's worth doesn't matter at all other than as an opinion on here.

Good post my man.

Makes the last 10 games all the more critical for Roberto. Hypothetically, we could go on a run and finish around 7th or 8th, or we could implode and look at a possible finish around the 13-15th. Two enormously different conclusions that could sway his future.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

Why do posters keep referring to our manager with insults involving Spanish? What's his nationality got to do with it? In fact, why are we insulting an Everton manager again? Beyond boring.

You're right. He's a Catalan clown and an Iberian Imbecile.

 

[Zatara]

Personally Zat, and I know this wasn't directed at me, but I think at the start of the season I expected 6th.

Ultimately it looks like i'm going to be disappointed in that but I don't think it's a sackable offence for him not to achieve a target that I thought we could achieve - or any other fan for that matter - other than the targets of the people that matter.

I think on paper our squad is the 6th to 8th best in the country and to be 12th at this stage is poor. There are however a plethora of factors behind that - some down to RM, some down to the players and some not down to either of them.

My current stance is I don't want him to go before the end of the season but for me to be happy with him to stay on or confident we can achieve something with him at the helm next term, then he has to show serious improvements in our home form and maintaining our away form in the rest of the league games.

I want us to give it a serious go in the cup and win the thing.

So, for me, I now expect us to either win the cup or get top 8. I'm not bothered about the Europa League in all honesty but top 8 is around our standing on paper, I believe.

If he does that I'm more than happy for him to stay on with the ultimatum that he has to maintain any hypothetical improvements (mainly in the defence) come the first chunk of next season. If he doesn't he goes.

That's my view - which for what it's worth doesn't matter at all other than as an opinion on here.

In no particular order i saw this as top 5.
Man City
Man Utd
Arsenal
Spurs
Chelsea

Then i assumed there would be 2 teams ahead of us as were still developing the squad and have older players who cant cut it anymore...so expected 8th.

Leicester and West Ham are taking those 2 positions so 8th seems fair. If we finished 9th im not going to be concerned as its only one position below what i expected and we are 1 win away from 9th with a game in hand against liverpool

 

[kithnou]

Why do posters keep referring to our manager with insults involving Spanish? What's his nationality got to do with it? In fact, why are we insulting an Everton manager again? Beyond boring.

Could you just imagine if he was Australian?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

1. There is a time and place for negative play.
So you want positive play. Nobody is more positive than Martinez!

2. What does singing school of science have to do with anything?
Fans actually greeted Martinez' arrival with a joyous new song, whereas you claimed that the silent Goodison coincided with Martinez' arrival!

3. For those of us actually putting our hands in our pockets week after to watch this dross it isn't fun to watch.
I've seen some of the most breathtaking and enjoyable football I've ever seen at Goodison this season! The paradox is that it hasn't been converted into home wins.

1) I want a manager who can adapt and play either a positive or negative style as the occasion call's for and is able to read the game. It's really not that difficult to understand.
2) The decline in atmosphere at Goodison did coincide with Martinez's arrival. So what if people sang Martinez's name, we sang David Moyes's name all the time. Hell I can even remember Walter F'N Smith's name being sung! Most manager's have their name's sang at some point, especially in the early days of their runs at new clubs.
3) I'm glad you've been enjoying Martinez's brand of football, I however have not been enjoying seeing us make the same mistakes over and over. We have won only four, FOUR! home league matches all season. It's an appallingly bad record. It's so bad that in fact that it may very well break records for our worst ever home season in living memory, if not ever! At what point do defeats to the likes of West Brom, Swansea, Stoke ect stop being coincidence and start becoming habits. I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand but people go to the match to see their team win, if we can play good football doing so then great but nobody is going to look back in years and say "remember that Stoke game? We played some lovely football, shame we lost though!" People remember the results of matches long after they've forgotten how we played and it may surprise you to know that it's results not style of play that gets a team points.

 

[BlueToff]

In no particular order i saw this as top 5.
Man City
Man Utd
Arsenal
Spurs
Chelsea

Then i assumed there would be 2 teams ahead of us as were still developing the squad and have older players who cant cut it anymore...so expected 8th.

Leicester and West Ham are taking those 2 positions so 8th seems fair. If we finished 9th im not going to be concerned as its only one position below what i expected and we are 1 win away from 9th with a game in hand against liverpool

Similar mate.

Top 5 I saw being that (at the start of the season), with us just pipping Liverpool to 6th.

However, due to the fall of Chelsea, W.Ham have taken that space in the top 5 so far.

 

[Ashtonian]

It is all ok to give Roberto another season and reepat the cycle again.

But would Lukaku want to stay for another season of mid table?

I can guarantee you out of everyone in the squad, lukaku's 20 plus goals a year are not going to be able to be replaced, if nothing else, who that good would want to sign for a mid table team?

 

[Saint Domingo]

It is all ok to give Roberto another season and reepat the cycle again.

But would Lukaku want to stay for another season of mid table?

I can guarantee you out of everyone in the squad, lukaku's 20 plus goals a year are not going to be able to be replaced, if nothing else, who that good would want to sign for a mid table team?

Lukaku will not be here next season unless we change manager and have huge investment. Players like him so not spend years outside the champions league playing for bottom half premier league sides.

 

[SpurtingLesbian]

It is all ok to give Roberto another season and reepat the cycle again.

But would Lukaku want to stay for another season of mid table?

I can guarantee you out of everyone in the squad, lukaku's 20 plus goals a year are not going to be able to be replaced, if nothing else, who that good would want to sign for a mid table team?

Rom's agent doesn't think he should be here in the first place and has been trying to engineer a move to a 'Big Club' for him since he was hired.

Rom will be away regardless of where we finish this year or next. Sad, but true.