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Roberto Martinez discussion

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BlueToff said:
Spurs have spent loads of money on that squad...

Not under Poch, but don't kid yourself that Spurs haven't spent more than us. They have. A lot of it was just done before Poch got there.

Lamela - £30mil
Eriksen - £12mil
Dembele - £15mil
Vertonghen - £12mil
Alderweireld - £10mil
Alli - £2mil
Dier - £4mil
Chadli - £10mil
Lloris - £10mil

The above adds up to near enough £100mil in the last 2 and a half seasons...

They also spent loads on the likes of Capoue, Paulinho and Soldado etc...
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Errrrm you do know Martinez has spent in 2 and a half seasons roughly the same amount as that mate?
 
Saint Domingo said:
Why are you bringing this game up out of all of them as an example. For me one of the worst premier league Derby performances. I'd even rank it below the 4-0 mailing at Anfield, at least we had a go that night. The Goodison game was the first Derby for ages at Goodison in the second half of the season and it was under the lights. Liverpool were a poor side low on confidence and what did we do? Set our stall out for a 0-0 from the kick off. Three defensive midfielders, no natural wide player, we didn't move out of defensive mode and failed to land an attack of note until after the 90 minute mark. An absolutely cowardly gutless performance that honestly left me feeling worse than any time we've been battered by them. They were absolutely ripe for the taking yet we treated them like Barcelona. We practically did the same at the Anfield derby that season as well, just shutting up shop from the first minute again with three defensive mids.
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As you explain at great length, it shows how you misunderstand - or pretend to - the approach taken by Martinez.

If Martinez had gone gung-ho against Liverpool and they had scored on the counter attack, you would have been the first one to complain!
 
I would prefer us to be utterly Useless rather than what we are like at the moment, don't get me wrong I wouldn't want to be like villa but at least they are consistantly bad, Everton get us fans emotions up then the next minute it totally depressing, Saturday was a perfect example I was totally buzzing at 2-0 with 10 men, only to be let down to lose 3-2, it would have been easier just to have been totally rubbish all game and lost 3-0. We can't be consistant and it's been going on far to long now.
 
mkrudden said:
With an open cheque book do you think we can bring in better than what we have? More experienced than what we have? Players who have won more and know what's it takes to continue winning?

Don't really know what to say to that mate.

Same applies to the midfielder.

Same applies to the GK.
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Actually i don't think he would be able to bring in a better cb than we currently have mate, open chequebook or not, we are not going to be signing the lkikes of a Shawcross as frankly the manager doesn't regard players like that as suitable - they need to be comfortable with the ball at their feet etc, so your immediately massively narrowing down the list of players you could target, then a lot of those are already at top clubs anyways, so go on who exactly are we going to be bringing in - that fits the Martinez profile of a cb and who we could realistically get in?
 

BlueToff said:
How do you know he hasn't shown those qualities.

The two games he's played he's been on a total of 18 minutes - and in completely different situations.

I wasn't happy with the sub I've said that, but you're already writing off a player that's played a combined 34 minutes for us...
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My view is that in the long term he will be an awful signing. Just my opinion. Hope i'm wrong. What is indisputable is that he is no where near premier league standard at this moment in time. That's why it was a crazy sub. It was also crazy not to give him more time against Villa.
 
BlueToff said:
That article is yet more conjecture (from a site nobody has heard of) citing the Telegraph article (which itself is based on no evidence other than the obvious assumption of 'well players don't like losing so they must want him out') as its basis.
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I don't believe I made a claim for the link to have been passed down from Moses mate. And surely the whole of this thread is 'conjecture' and opinion?
 
Stanley Parker said:
Baffled some people think Wigan a comparable situation.
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he couldn't get a defense set up there either, and its comparable because he was responsible as the manager for there results, his current record here isn't anything to shout about, take a look further back in this thread i posted a full calendar year of his results its a disgrace.
Like i pointed out in comparison to Pulis at the mighty Stoke, palace,WBA all of which he was brought in to firefight he has a worse prem win rate and is currently above him in the table,that's how good he is.
Talks a good game, but results say he cant back it up.
 

bluestevon said:
Mate he bought an argentinian International cb last summer, he already had an established England cb and he happens to have one of the most coveted cb's in world football - who plays exactly the style that Martines seeks from his defenders, exactly why you think that him having money to buy more would improve our defence?

Who exactly is he going to be buying thats better than what we have lol

Midifled general - errrm isn't that what he bought when he bought McCarthy - at leats everything he stated then and since he points out that the side is built around him

GK - looking at his track record of buying keepers, and how long he stuck with Howard - i am not exactly filled with confidence we are going to be getting the next neville southall anytime soon
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Yep agree here.

It's not the quality of players at the back that are the issue I'd say - it's the general set up of the team and how they defend as a unit. They all defend individually very well but as a unit are useless a lot of the times. It's why we struggle so much at crosses than compared to other things.

It's a worry, obviously, and something that needs sorting.

In certain games when we have defended as a unit (a lot of the times away from home) we've looked a lot better and inevitably solid, so Martinez has shown he can do it.

I think key to that is disciplined wide midfielders which is why Lennon is so important at the moment as he gives that balance and experience. Cleverley too at times.
 
AJC5 said:
None of the qualities you mention have been shown by Niasse so far. It was a crazy substitution. We might still have lost but that sub was awful. Final straw for me.
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This is correct. An atrocious substitution, Lennon was covering more ground than any other player on the pitch, he was making up for the fact were a man down by more or less playing as two men. Then Niasse came on and it was basically like Lennon had just been sent off
 
Little Ralphy said:
When did Martinez persuade him to stay? When Stones was upset and being consoled by his team mates? It was a club decision, if Stones had his way he'd have gone. You're giving Martinez undeserved credit.

Same for Lukaku, I don't know when his contract finishes, but he easily forces a move if he wants one, by telling the club he wont be signing an extension. Personally, I think the signs are there that he's one of the ones unhappy with RM.

We've already seen the tfr fees going up, a 29 year old Naismith going for near £9m. Sterling a teenage SWP going for £50m.

I really hope Lukaku stays because we'll never get anyone in better in the club's current state, but £60m honestly doesn't look to be that high a fee for a 23 year old proven goalscorer.
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It was well documented that the day after the Barnsley game RM spoke with Stones before the club released their statement. Yes it was a club decision, made at the digression of Martinez, who ultimately - after the request was turned down - convinced Stones to stay and give it another year and should be given credit for that. You literally refuse to credit the man for nearly anything...

Lukaku has got three years left on his £75k p/week deal. With the investment the power is with us. We have no need or obligation to sell and Rom again knows that wherever he is he is only going to develop by playing.

We can offer him a new deal that he may well turn down, but again the power is still with us. Unless somebody meets our valuation - and with the funny state of FFP which nobody really knows what's going in with it - £60mil is a hell of a lot to spend on one player. That would still be the 5th biggest transfer in history mate...

- Bale
- Ronaldo
- Suarez
- Neymar

EDIT: 6th, forgot Rodriguez who was 80mil Euros so approx £70mil...
 

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