Roberto Martinez discussion

[Dario Terracotta]

any know if we have a sports psychologist at the club? do we need one?

We do for our manager,his fixation with TH is bordering on the thinking of a maniac

 

[kenada_blue]

That's very short sighted.

Let me ask you point blank: do you want this manager to be given the chance to carry on developing this squad or not?

I want him to take the chances when they are presented.

Moyes did it. Once.

Martinez has had/is having more chances in 3 season than Moyes did in 10. Two opportunities for top 4, one for a Cup final, quarter final in Europe.

If he doesn't take one...he'll lose players and will take another step back.

We're not in the top 10 with the top goal scorer in the prem. Also have 2 players in the top 5 assists in the prem.

 

[neil999]

I think we do. We've dropped 11 points from winning positions this Season, all of which came after the Bournemouth game (including Bournemouth).

interesting, looks like that might have really knocked players confidence

 

[toffeejack]

It's nice for the neutral but it's not more entertaining for Everton fans. Watching us look like conceding every time the ball is in our half of the pitch is taking years off my life.

but you always watch us when behind thinking we can come back from behind and win this game



... until we draw it.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I think we do. We've dropped 11 points from winning positions this Season, all of which came after the Bournemouth game (including Bournemouth).

Yep that was just on Goals on Sunday, those points would have had us top four they say. Bad plotters.

 

[toffeejack]

interesting, looks like that might have really knocked players confidence

it did ruin our season, we were still in touching distance of 4th and one of the favourites in my opinion with an easy run coming up - we truly f*cked it up.

 

[Lowste]

You're absolutely right about Martinez being able to attract certain top players other managers couldnt. He also has us passing wonderfully going forward at times. Not only that but he's very media friendly and dresses well.

Sadly, he has form for conceding sh1tloads of goals through disregarding defence. He is also displaying incredible and increasing consistency in terms of failing to hold leads. Similar to when Keegan was at Newcastle really. Doubtless in years to come we'll look back on him with fondness as a "nice fella" but ultimately another wasted decade as per Moyes.

Unless of course he follows up his previous relegation with another one here..

There have been many wasted years at this club, spanning across multiple managers

I think people forget we are Everton, we under achieve simply because we are never really good enough

 

[By god I'm blue]

Don't beat Swansea at home and the excuses will have to stop, we simply need to turn performances into wins.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I think people forget we are Everton, we under achieve simply because we are never really good enough

FFS we're even running the club's history down now to justify Bobby

 

[meagher94]

it did ruin our season, we were still in touching distance of 4th and one of the favourites in my opinion with an easy run coming up - we truly f*cked it up.

We really need a stronger mentality though to not let one result early on ruin our entire season. Roberto said it was the same last year after we drew to Leicester and Arsenal at the start of the season from winning positions.

 

[polish]

Tragic lack of ambition

Tragic lack of patience. I want us to be a top team, of course I do. I know how Martinez want to achieve that and I'm supporting his plan - Everton will be a team based on a young players and play a specific style of football. That's unique combination and take years to perfect it, especialy with such a young manager. Players will come and go, manager and his system will stay for years. And that's the recipe for a success.

What's yours then mate? Change manager every year after we didn't get Europe? That's ambitious and stupid.

 

[BernieWright13]

yeah i know, our fans will get more frustrated under him than moyes, but they'll get vastly more entertained. If we're going to be a club that never wins anything, you'd rather watch yesterday's 3-3 than an 11 men behind the ball 0-0 effort with the game seemingly lasting 150 minutes.

at least we're getting in positions to win these type of games. And i actually have expectation we can win something rather than hope.

Can't argue against us being better to watch than with Moyes. The frustration is that I think the addition of a decent defensive coach could sort it out. If Martinez doesn't address this then it has to be on him.

 

[meagher94]

Don't beat Swansea at home and the excuses will have to stop, we simply need to turn performances into wins.

Could do with an emphatic 3-0 hammering and then a good result at City 3 days later to put us in the final, that'll give us confidence back.

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

Ok, fair enough. Let's have Wigans record thrown in....and Swansea's under him too eh?

Swansea under Martinez:
126 games, won 63, drawn 37, lost 26. Win rate 50%.

Over to you.

Over to me what?

You are SO oddly selective that it's blinding.

You're completely ignoring the fact he's making the same mistakes now as he has previously; that he's learned little from it.

I'm not suggesting we hang him David, and nor is it 'KNEE-JERK', it's there in the figures mate...I'm merely stating that if he adapts and it's tweaked and applied and worked on then the whole thing is REALLY not that far away.

Yet if he doesn't it's utterly, utterly meaningless and himself/players/us have missed a golden & beautiful opportunity.

Or moment. Whatever...

 

[BernieWright13]

Tragic lack of patience. I want us to be a top team, of course I do. I know how Martinez want to achieve that and I'm supporting his plan - Everton will be a team based on a young players and play a specific style of football. That's unique combination and take years to perfect it, especialy with such a young manager. Players will come and go, manager and his system will stay for years. And that's the recipe for a success.

What's yours then mate? Change manager every year after we didn't get Europe? That's ambitious and stupid.

Lol. Come back when you've had 40 years+ watching everton kid