Roberto Martinez discussion

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I imagine the FA Cup becomes less of a comfort with each year spent out in the wilderness.

I don't recall many Blues still celebrating our last one when Everton were facing the drop in 1998.
 

Stanley Parker said:
Wigan fans are happy to be remembered as cup winners rather than for finishing fourth from the bottom of the Premier League.

Dave Whelan was reducing his spending on Wigan, so relegation was inevitable at some point. Roberto just postponed it by a season or two.

Most Wigan fans are enjoying life at the top of League 1 more than at the bottom of the Premier League.
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Ha ha ha
 
Zatara said:
Most of those players he brought to the club himself such as lukaku,deulofeu and also Besic. The Stones (who he wanted at wigan) and barkley development....well moyes didnt do much for them and who knows if Mourinho for example would play them either.

He plays young players...look at galloway, garbutt as well. He also signs young players when he had money to spend.

As for mot bringing players through ??? Well he has done so with quite a few of them hasnt he? Not sure who else he could have promoted?
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In 3 seasons Browning is the only Everton academy product that Martinez has given premier league playing time to. Stones and Garbutt bought by Moyes as ready for the first team, Galloway and Holgate the same by Martinez. Del Lukaku Besic are all first team signings who just happen to be young.

As for actually looking into the academy and pulling out a prospect and giving him some first team league football, the answer is one and that is Browning who lets be honest got games because of injury to Coleman and Hibbert and was then benched until he got injured.

That's 1 in 3 seasons (unless he throws a few a bone at the end of the season) and even that one had been a bit part player. Are we really saying that the likes of Dowell, Ledson, Pennington couldn't have got some minutes here and there rather than the constant flogging of Barry, Etoo or Naismith on the flank, Lennon/Cleverley/McCarthy playing right back?

Moyes gets panned for not developing youth but in his 11 years how many players did he pluck from the academy and give decent first team playing time to? Rooney, Vaughan, Anichebe, Rodwell, Barkley. Whether you like what he did with them that's 5 players he gave premier league playing time to. There's also Baxter, Duffy, Forshaw, Gosling, Wallace who saw league time but not much of it or don't fit the criteria.

Either way one bit part player brought in because of injury in 3 seasons is not a great record for a manager brilliant st bringing through youth. What he is good at is buying other people's youth players and developing them.
 
Ashtonian said:
8 mate. don't get ahead of ourselves here! 5 are the bottom 4 as well, stoke chelsea and west brom the others. :)



Think they would mate, bit crap playing in league one when you used to go to old trafford a couple years before.
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i hate to tell you but we have 9 wins. I hope that doesn't switch you to the Martinez in camp.

Southampton, Chelsea, Sunderland, Stoke, W Brom, Newcastle * 2, villa * 2
 

Stanley Parker said:
Wigan fans are happy to be remembered as cup winners rather than for finishing fourth from the bottom of the Premier League.

Dave Whelan was reducing his spending on Wigan, so relegation was inevitable at some point. Roberto just postponed it by a season or two.

Most Wigan fans are enjoying life at the top of League 1 more than at the bottom of the Premier League.
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What is the point of going up if you deem the Wigan fans are enjoying life at the top of League 1.
 
Zatara said:
He had to trim costs by 25-30% when the others around him increased their budgets...that factor seems to be totally ignored when comparing him to other wigan managers or their relegation.
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What evidence is there for that mate?

As far as I can see from the Guardian finances based on the club's accounts.

Wigan increased their wage bill Martinez' time there, and when they got relegated they had the highest % of wages to turnover they'd ever had.
They may not have had the highest wage bill in the division, but they didn't cut costs like some make out.
 
Little Ralphy said:
What evidence is there for that mate?

As far as I can see from the Guardian finances based on the club's accounts.

Wigan increased their wage bill Martinez' time there, and when they got relegated they had the highest % of wages to turnover they'd ever had.
They may not have had the highest wage bill in the division, but they didn't cut costs like some make out.
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That makes more sense, plus didn't TV money start to increase around that time as well? I mean not in the same way of the last 2-3 years, by 20-30m each, but still a bit more.
 

Stanley Parker said:
Wigan fans are happy to be remembered as cup winners rather than for finishing fourth from the bottom of the Premier League.

Dave Whelan was reducing his spending on Wigan, so relegation was inevitable at some point. Roberto just postponed it by a season or two.

Most Wigan fans are enjoying life at the top of League 1 more than at the bottom of the Premier League.
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This is beyond a shadow of a doubt the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Your seriously saying that Wigan fans would rather be battling for a play off spot in League One with only the memory's of that one day at Wembley to keep them happy over playing week in and week out in the Premiership?! I hope for your sake that your just a WUM because otherwise you need medication!
 
bluewally said:
i hate to tell you but we have 9 wins. I hope that doesn't switch you to the Martinez in camp.

Southampton, Chelsea, Sunderland, Stoke, W Brom, Newcastle * 2, villa * 2
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Forgot Southampton haha

Still over half are relegation teams, hardly anything special lol
 

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