Roberto Martinez Shenanigans: All Reaction Here

[Phenom]

It's not a false dilemma, if we weren't challenging for top four then I'm not sure what you'd define as challenging for top four as being? We spent the first half of the year in the top 4, and the second half just off the pace. It only ran away from us in the final part of the season.

Finishing 5th a few times is pretty close too....... or maybe you've got the league upside down and you think everyone in the top 3 are challenging for the 4th spot? :blink:

Thats like saying Man City challenged for the championship this year because they finished 2nd but we all know they didnt, Man Utd walked it, it wasnt even close.

The same with us for 4th really, in the end it wasnt even close.

 

[Tubey]

Who's proclaimed he's a legend?

I've just stated the fact that he was appointed off the say so of a legend, & not as Steve tried to suggest - the view of an accountant is detractors are embarrassed by his appointment as the manager of the countries biggest club, as it makes a mockery of their judgement. If he goes on to die on his arse, the they can re-gain some face, but I doubt that will happen personally, time will tell - but as it stands, the man who was decried by a %age of Blues, has got the gig.

He hasn't performed the gig yet, so this discussion is null and void. You're gloating, yet have nothing to gloat about. Come back two years from now and then you'll have a leg to stand on, but right now youre premature to say the least.

 

[Brennan]

It's not a false dilemma, if we weren't challenging for top four then I'm not sure what you'd define as challenging for top four as being? We spent the first half of the year in the top 4, and the second half just off the pace. It only ran away from us in the final part of the season.

Finishing 5th a few times is pretty close too....... or maybe you've got the league upside down and you think everyone in the top 3 are challenging for the 4th spot? :blink:

We were top 4 until the teams below us picked up the pace, and then we sank out and ended up 6th.

We haven't finished 5th for four seasons now, so i'm not sure how that's relevant really. 8th/7th/7th/6th. Talk about where we were for half the season all you want, but those league finishes do not tally with a team challenging for 4th place. Sorry.

 

[evertony]

Exactly. If the new manager who is likely to be Martinez makes the wrong signings this summer and we end up finishing 11th, our better players see there is no hope in this club and will want to leave. If our original core of players eventually leave then big toruble ahead as I really don't trust Martinez to make the right signings.

Your scenario could just as likely happen if we had Mourhino, Pereira, De Boer or Neil Warnock....it's all hypothetical.

 

[Goat]

Oh David Moyes, Davey, Davey Moyes.

 

[bluemangroup]

Thats like saying Man City challenged for the championship this year because they finished 2nd but we all know they didnt, Man Utd walked it, it wasnt even close.

The same with us for 4th really, in the end it wasnt even close.

It's not quite the same thing is it?

 

[catcherintherye]

Clearly a side who finish within 1/2 placed of 4th is challenging for the top 4. Just as a side who finish 2/3rd are challenging for the league. If you are close, you are challenging. The key here us to understand the difference between challenging, and achieving, and know what they mean!

 

[maddison]

I do love this 6/7th place trophy nonsense. You want to finish as high up the league as you can. Moving down the league, trophy or not is not acceptable. We should be aiming to improve, not regress.

Apparently the teams that win cups always finish low down the league, oh wait a second. Since we last lifted the FA cup, every team that's one it with a few exceptions have been in the top half of the table. Bang goes that ridiculous argument then.

Your Portsmouth's and Wigan's of this world lifting it are the exception to the rule, not the trend some would have you believe. League position is a more accurate reflection of your likelihood of lifting a cup.

I'd rather be aiming high, than meandering along with the hopes that we get lucky on a cup run. It's like people who work hard, and those who hope they'll trip over a lotto win. Sure we'd all like to win the lottery, but that wouldn't stop us from working hard now would it.

 

[Phenom]

Top 4 proves you are one of the top 4 sides/managers in the league. Cups prove nothing, other than you are OK, and probably had a bit of luck along the way. Still, would love a cup!

Sport is all about winning, challenging the top 4 year after year compared to winning a cup is a massive difference to me.

That isnt saying I want to see us sliding down the league mind you.

 

[catcherintherye]

We were top 4 until the teams below us picked up the pace, and then we sank out and ended up 6th.

We haven't finished 5th for four seasons now, so i'm not sure how that's relevant really. 8th/7th/7th/6th. Talk about where we were for half the season all you want, but those league finishes do not tally with a team challenging for 4th place. Sorry.

Do you see us improving on those finishes, given we have got rid of such a terrible manager? Or heaven forbid, given how great Martinez is, and how bad Moyes was, do you think we can maintain our top 7 status? Yes or no will do.

 

[Goat]

Glory hunters everywhere.

 

[harry]

He hasn't performed the gig yet, so this discussion is null and void. You're gloating, yet have nothing to gloat about. Come back two years from now and then you'll have a leg to stand on, but right now youre premature to say the least.

Oh no please! I couldn't stand having him drone on about moyes for two years, I was hoping we would have stopped by Xmas.

 

[evertony]

I didn't want to see Moyes go, so you can't count me in as one of those I haven't liked some of the things that have come out since he's decided to go, or the way he ran his contract down, but I certainly didn't want to see him go.

My standpoint exactly.....to be honest I was generalising, not suggesting you wanted DM to depart.

 

[Phenom]

Clearly a side who finish within 1/2 placed of 4th is challenging for the top 4. Just as a side who finish 2/3rd are challenging for the league. If you are close, you are challenging. The key here us to understand the difference between challenging, and achieving, and know what they mean!

Yeh but we wasnt.

 

[Brennan]

Do you see us improving on those finishes, given we have got rid of such a terrible manager? Or heaven forbid, given how great Martinez is, and how bad Moyes was, do you think we can maintain our top 7 status? Yes or no will do.

*sigh*

I have neither said Moyes is a terrible manager or that Martinez is a great one. I'm simply trying to dispel some of the myths going round about them both. I like both of them.