Ronald Koeman discussion

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Conte. Chelsea.

Good shout mate, but you'll probably get 'it's Chelsea' etc brought up, considering though where Chelsea where last season to now, huge turnaround Conte has brought.

 

[ianefc]

We won't get near that this season

Rewriting history and creating the future. Impressive Sunday for you mate.

 

[Lapeno77]

You could compare Koeman performance with Conte at Chelsea.

Both have gone into clubs where players got their previous managers the sack and there is a considerable toxic presence in the squad.

Content has assessed his squad, made tactical adjustments, got some of the squad onside as well as the fans and moved along nicely.

Koeman hasn't.

Why give him more time via transfer windows? He's the head coach isn't he? He's supposed to coach the players at his disposal via Steve Walsh

 

[kenada_blue]

Reckon they would as soon as they were told to run 40% more.

At the expense of hoofing it? I think they would.

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

So the other 2 and half seasons don't count?

A predominantly possession based side now cannot string 3 passes together.

Kinda proves the criticisms of Koeman that he's getting players to play a way theyre not suited to

That possession football got us two consecutive bottom half finishes, one of the worst home record on record and did nothing but in reality. Fancy football means nothing without the grit to see out results.

Koeman is absolutely within his rights to change the system and use his own players to fit it. The players got us a bottom half finish playing 'possesion' and are now getting us bottom half playing press and direct. I think it says more of the players than the manager. What system are they actually suited to? Does anybody really know? And if Koeman doesn't know then he should get players who should.

 

[kenada_blue]

Rewriting history and creating the future. Impressive Sunday for you mate.

How have I rewrote history pal?

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

You could compare Koeman performance with Conte at Chelsea.

Both have gone into clubs where players got their previous managers the sack and there is a considerable toxic presence in the squad.

Content has assessed his squad, made tactical adjustments, got some of the squad onside as well as the fans and moved along nicely.

Koeman hasn't.

Why give him more time via transfer windows? He's the head coach isn't he? He's supposed to coach the players at his disposal via Steve Walsh

Which players are there in the Chelsea team who haven't won a title?

 

[ianefc]

Still proves the point that if the manager is good enough, it can happen​

Taking over a team that had been league champions 12 months prior and spending 60+ million on them is not the same as what Koeman is dealing with here.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Sack

And then what? What's the long term solution to this problem? Unsworth? I'd love it to work but he's got zero managerial experience beyond youth level except the odd isolated game as a caretaker manager. That sounds like a massive risk to me to make such an appointment based on sentiment and it could destroy his prospects of ever making it as a manager to jump in before he's ready. And what happens if results don't improve under Rhino? Does he get the push after fifteen game's?

 

[ianefc]

How have I rewrote history pal?

You suggested that from January 2016 back we were playing exciting free flowing goal scoring football on the regular I said we scored 48 goals in 14/15. To me that opinion and that fact don't get along too well.

 

[Blue Cheese]

Ranieri did ok as well.

 

[kenada_blue]

That possession football got us two consecutive bottom half finishes, one of the worst home record on record and did nothing but in reality. Fancy football means nothing without the grit to see out results.

Koeman is absolutely within his rights to change the system and use his own players to fit it. The players got us a bottom half finish playing 'possesion' and are now getting us bottom half playing press and direct. I think it says more of the players than the manager. What system are they actually suited to? Does anybody really know? And if Koeman doesn't know then he should get players who should.

I know this. I'm not talking about what works or doesn't to get results, I'm saying that these players could play football and keep the ball. Now they dont.

Yes, it says the players cant play Koeman's style. The problem then is what has Koeman done to adjust it. Nothing.

 

[kenada_blue]

You suggested that from January 2016 back we were playing exciting free flowing goal scoring football on the regular I said we scored 48 goals in 14/15. To me that opinion and that fact don't get along too well.

Did I?

I cant seem to find that.

I remember saying we used to keep possession, pass the ball, and had an attacking threat.

This "exciting free flowing goal scoring football on the regular" is just something you've made up.

Well played.

 

[4737carlin]

Bored now of Koeman, just sits there and seems to have no interest, talks utter rubbish, something we lambasted Martinez for and his results are terrible, lets face it he didnt care about Southampton so we are deluded if we think he is suddenly going to care about us.

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

I know this. I'm not talking about what works or doesn't to get results, I'm saying that these players could play football and keep the ball. Now they dont.

Yes, it says the players cant play Koeman's style. The problem then is what has Koeman done to adjust it. Nothing.

Most managers don't change their style. A few tweaks here and there, but on the whole they won't. Even the most successful.