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Ronald Koeman discussion

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davek said:
I dont claim a trophy for it mate. It is what it is. It's just there in any record list on the club and will be until another Everton manager (hopefully soon) comes along and trumps it.

72 points trophy lad...yeah, what a laff eh? Still...it is a fact and it will be so until it's not. End of story.
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It is.

But you dont seem to question how the magical 72 points was achieved. Let me help.

Martinez came in, inherited a decent, well drilled, functional side, which had some good footballers. His fresh approach to coaching the players, allied with their ingrained shape and organisation produced a brilliant season.

Then he reverted to type, and shovelled largely the same players in to a sack of utter cack. Capable of an occasional performance.

Koeman has now inherited that.
 
bluestevon said:
OK, second season, run of games - 1 win in 12, 4 draws and 7 losses in those 12.
we scored 6 goals in those 12 games in total, we conceded 17 goals
we failed to score in 8 of those 12 games
in 6 of the losses we failed to score a goal.


tell me Dave, is that the Everton way?
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21 wins in 38 games. That's all needs to be said to counter those numbers. However, I'll also state that Koeman knows how to got on a barren run too...as S'ton fans and we can testify to.
 
davek said:
21 wins in 38 games. That's all needs to be said to counter those numbers. However, I'll also state that Koeman knows how to got on a barren run too...as S'ton fans and we can testify to.
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Fair point that. Lets judge him after a season or two, certainly after more than one crap window.
 
davek said:
I dont claim a trophy for it mate. It is what it is. It's just there in any record list on the club and will be until another Everton manager (hopefully soon) comes along and trumps it.

72 points trophy lad...yeah, what a laff eh? Still...it is a fact and it will be so until it's not. End of story.
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11th then 12th, facts and you are ignoring them. You are blaming Koeman for the style of football you don't like because this was a squad that finished 5th three seasons ago. Yes 3 and you choose to completely ignore what happened in 2014/2015 and 2015/2016 seasons.
 

nsno-chris said:
4-0 on 2 separate occasions, they where humiliating defeats. And you still managed to stay alive on here and defend that excuse of a manager
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...because in the first of them he was already on his way that season to being our best performing manager in a season. How could anyone NOT still defend Martinez after that derby defeat?
 
roydo said:
It is.

But you dont seem to question how the magical 72 points was achieved. Let me help.

Martinez came in, inherited a decent, well drilled, functional side, which had some good footballers. His fresh approach to coaching the players, allied with their ingrained shape and organisation produced a brilliant season.

Then he reverted to type, and shovelled largely the same players in to a sack of utter cack. Capable of an occasional performance.

Koeman has now inherited that.
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No mate. That first season was a COMPLETE reorganisation of the way we'd previously played. It's churlish to deny that it was ALL down to Martinez's method.

The following two seasons proved he couldnt build on that; that the players he had were not up to improving as he wished; and yes, he was incapable of adapting and being pragmatic when he needed to be to get games won.
 
davek said:
Huge rebuilding? Not what was being claimed this time last season though mate.

A 'terrible squad' is strictly for the birds. It's bandied about by people embarrassed that they wanted Martinez out so much and now have to justify the present manager's terrible tutelage of those resources.

Truth is this hoof ball master cant get a tune out of them because he's incompetent at anything other than getting the ball back to front ASAP. We are a long ball team now. Get used to it.
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The difference is that Martinez had many transfer windows to sort us out and the football degressed each season. Koeman hasn't had a chance yet - Martinez had three seasons.
 

davek said:
21 wins in 38 games. That's all needs to be said to counter those numbers. However, I'll also state that Koeman knows how to got on a barren run too...as S'ton fans and we can testify to.
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Those goalposts you keep having to pick up and carry to a new spot must be getting heavy though by now

But you answered anyway, you are going on record as saying at least during that period of 12 games, martinez was playing the Everton way? Correct?
 
roydo said:
Fair point that. Lets judge him after a season or two, certainly after more than one crap window.
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He does need time. I'm not saying he's got to go at all. I'm saying (given the evidence so far) he is limiting us to a horrible brand of non-football and it's a huge embarrassment to me and I think many others.
 
davek said:
No mate. That first season was a COMPLETE reorganisation of the way we'd previously played. It's churlish to deny that it was ALL down to Martinez's method.

The following two seasons proved he couldnt build on that; that the players he had were not up to improving as he wished; and yes, he was incapable of adapting and being pragmatic when he needed to be to get games won.
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Mate you can't have it both ways. So the good thing about the first season was down to Martinez but the failure in his 2nd and 3rd were down to the players?
 

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