to be honest i'm not sure what he's aiming for. we're doing pretty OK in the league and, if his normal trends continue, we should be picking up a lot of points, but I have no idea what the final form is here.
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Zatara
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Koeman may well be the greatest manager of all time, I think @davek @Khalekan and myself (and others) may have been quick to judge him...
Perhaps I have been blinded by my pure hatred of him due to his below average career so far wrecking teams along the way..however;
Any manager who can have a team playing this badly with no structure, no consistency and what appears to be poor management of game time for players with a long ball strategy...
But still get us to 7th....
Must be the Greatest Manager EVER!!!
Edit: However Pulis is right behind us so hes in good company.
Best 2 managers in the world!!!
Perhaps I have been blinded by my pure hatred of him due to his below average career so far wrecking teams along the way..however;
Any manager who can have a team playing this badly with no structure, no consistency and what appears to be poor management of game time for players with a long ball strategy...
But still get us to 7th....
Must be the Greatest Manager EVER!!!
Edit: However Pulis is right behind us so hes in good company.
Best 2 managers in the world!!!
MikeH72
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What on earth are you dribbling on about?
It's just Zat innit.
deipnosophist
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Good call Zat , but other contributing factors need to considered, not least RK manages a team with at least 4 or possibly 5 of the best players (in their positions) in the PL (Bainsey, Seamus, Ross, Rom and Super Kev).
Thus, given the talent available to big Ron compared to 'honest' Tony's WBA outfit, you might say Pulis slightly edges him in any 'best manager in the world' contest.
I suspect your blue tinted glasses have clouded your judgement here Zat...
You'd think he'd be in a fap coma with the youts getting games.
bluestevon
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Throw in Kenny making the bench the other week (and seming to be one the club aren't willing to loan out) and Lookman who i think is only 18 arriving and we will see the acadamey/young lads being given more opportunities this season than any i can ever remember, which given the doubts over Koeman's reluctance to play them that a lot of us had is a huge bright point for the future udner his management
Zat still gonna Zat.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
I think theres only one way to settle this, which team has the most long balls? WBA or us?
From yesterday's games it was West Brom. They played 17% attempted longballs from all passes.
Everton's was 13%.
As a point of comparison, yesterday, Man City's was 10%.
Stats taken from Opta / Statzone App.
bluestevon
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Here is the thing though Zat
As you know i was very worried about Koeman before we got him, given checking through his history (mainly at Valencia) etc, and the other various question marks over him.
But honestly mate, whilst right now the footy isn't pretty to watch - we are getting the results. He had three options when taking over this squad,
1. to immideiately get them playing his 'style; of footy - regardless of if they fit that style and regardless of the consequences in terms of results, so we'd play quite direct, using the flanks to suppoort the striker, play a relatively high line, and press hard, thing is we don't have the players to make the system work...
2. We continue to play the same style of footy as the prefvious manager did - as the players are used to it, and when he has the right personell in we start to change over to the new style of the new manager - big problem with that is, the players had lost all confidence in the system used already, and also weren't suited to that style in the first place, and all it does is put off the big chance ins system/style until a later date
3. We make the changes easiest to bring in, and save the others until the personell are in the club to make the full system work, so bring in a more direct style of play and stop the fannying around aty the back - but without the wingers needed then instead of looking clinical it looks agricultural at times, we improve the fitness and start to press a huge amount more, but without the personel we arent doing it higher up the pitch and when it works we arent quite capitilising when we win it back.
If you think this current version of the way we play is Koemans wish for us realised then your being so narrow sighted it's untrue, it is a half way measure from what we where to what he wishes us to become, the big negative is that a half way meausure is never gonna be pretty to watch, the big plus is it is much more effective at getting out results than the other two options he had (short term) and another plus is that it makes the eventual transition to the system he wants a hell of a lot more gradual (a process that will be accelerated when players he knows can play his system arrive (schneiderlin and depay being two examples of those)
Now look at a few of the major doubts/worries people had with Koeman before he arrived.
He falls out with players - so far a bit of evidence to support this, he does appear to be a manager who you either get or dont get his style and way of handling you, Deulofeu for example seems to have not reacted well at all, Barkley right now seems to be fitter, and really buckling down given the last months evidence - much like VVD seemed to react very well udner him at Southampton (and Schneiderlin did as well) whereas some others like Tadic seemed to not.
How much of a worry is that - for me, not much of one, the types of players who react badly to a bit of honesty and tough love, i don't know if i want to see them playing in our shirt tbh, for far too lomng we have had a group of players who seem to think strlling along in 9-12th represents an acceptable season, who think showing up one game in 5 is fine as qwell, we actually have a manager now who i don't believe will tolerate that, if some players get the heave ho then fair enough
He doesn't play the yooooooof, first 20 games in charge he has trusted young players more than any prior manager i can remember in our club since Kendall, we seem to have stpped loaning out the most promising younger players we have as well and isntead are doing it with players much more on the fringe, Holgate, Davies, Kenny, DCL, (Lookman who we wont apparently let go back to Charlton) are all fauturing in the team and match day squads, the manager seems to be wanting to keep the best young players around the club and has already shown now he is willling to go to them when he reckons the times right, as a player who broke through himself at a big team as a young player, maybe he actually does know how to handle bringing younger players through the right way, time will tell us, but the initial view looks verty promising.
Fair play you may not like Koeman as a person, or as a manager (although i think your view on that is based on one article about his time at Valencia which i put up on the forum actually) but to be so critical of him so early on and purely based on viewing the style and ignoring the substance or reason for that style is beyond a joke mate, as much of a joke as the various people who where prediciting Martinez to become the Barca manager after 7-8 months of managing us (myself embarrasingly included in that list)
BTW, just so you know, Pocchetino faced a fair bit of criticsm from memory in his initial period at Spurs, something like 6 losses, 6 wins in his first 15 games as he tried to change their system and went through analysing players who fit and ones who didnt in the team (including a pretty public falling out with Adebayor (and a fair few other senior Spurs players who supported Adebayor including Lennon)
Only now are you seeing the real benefit of that intial period of transition he had to go through - Pocchetino - another manager who failed dramatically at a Spanish club btw as a matter of interest.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Any idea who wins it over the season so far?
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
My view on Koeman is based upon him taking a Valencia side who were expected to break the 'big 2' monopoly in Spain and nearly relegating them...i didnt realise you put up an article on it (as well as me) but i enjoyed watching them at the time on the tv...he would have relegated them if they hadnt sacked him.
If you also look at his time at PSV and Ajax he did well initially and then had disasterous runs...AZ he was sacked after a few months and at Benfica they thought he was "a strange man".
Feyenoord he had no option but to play the kids and did extremely well with them...perhaps he is now playing Davies and Holgate in games as he also has no other options and they just happen to be better than the others at this time.
One thing to note with Koeman is that he will always play what he considers the best team for that game and the tactic he feels will get a result....thats ok short term but i dont think he has any long term goal or plans on developing players.
I reckon if we signed 2 centre mids (with his blessing)who were 27+ he would play them over davies even if they were very similar ability wise...
I think this window and in Jan we will see but for me he needs to play the young lads now when he can until the end of the season so we have (at the very least) free players to push out the donkeys in the squad so we can spend on 'big money' players to add to their base.
Unfortunately, not. Opta don't make it easy to get the raw data (without paying) so it's quite a labour intensive task to do comparisons, across multiple teams / multiple games.
I'd looked at the EFC / Hull game and we were around 7%. Derby was more like 17/18%.
Game by game would be more interesting than overall, as you can then take into account why we're playing it long in some games more than others - I.e more against Liverpool as they're a pressing team, and our defenders are a bit nervous and don't want to tak unncecesary risks. Not ideal, but understandable.
Certainly, I think the long ball element is being overplayed quite a bit, and we're improving in that respect as our players get a bit of confidence.
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