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It's so obvious , you're positioning yourself to hammer a manager already, teeing up for the future .

I was with you with the moyes criticism and certainly early on the unfailing Martinez support . You were actually one of my favourite posters but you're in real danger of becoming a parody of yourself.

Just so you know You're plunging towards the earth at speed , nobody will judge you for pulling the parachute cord now .

"becoming" - many would say he's there already!
 
weve been like that for 25 years or more.

people need to get their heads round the fact we dont need to operate like that anymore

were stinking, filthy rich lads
And we won't STAY stinking, filthy rich if we just throw money at every target regardless of any potential resale value, or lack thereof. As much as I despise the RS and Spurs, one thing they do that we should seek to improve upon is recycling unwanted players for decent sums. You can't do that if you ignore factors like age when you buy a player in the first place.

Rich people stay rich by avoiding the spending and saving habits often displayed by people who aren't rich. And we AREN'T actually that rich... Southampton's owner is worth about twice what Moshiri is, for instance.
 
The EPL's Sleeping Giant: Everton FC

It’s a cold, soggy morning in the North-West of England, as the Manchester City bus rolls on down the M62, en route to Goodison Park.

It’s a relatively short away-trip for the Sky Blues and Pep Guardiola, with a rather comfortable three points to keep pace with the Premier League’s peloton expected.

Plucky old Everton has put up some stiff opposition to City in recent years, even securing a lucky point in the home fixture at the Etihad, courtesy of two penalty saves from their keeper Maarten Stekelenburg.

You’d think though, that the quality of City’s line-up would ensure that the Toffees aren’t so lucky this time around.

Sergio Aguero, Kevin de Bruyne, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Raheem Sterling provide firepower that should simply be too much for the spirited side that Everton will put out this afternoon.

Perhaps the only question in Guardiola’s mind is how young John Stones will handle his return to Goodison Park.

Stones didn’t really force his highly publicised transfer, though he didn’t exactly dig his heels in to stay either. If there’s a way to get 40,000 scousers offside, it’s to leave for seemingly greener pastures. Just ask David Moyes.

When referee Mark Clattenburg blew his whistle at the end of the 90 minutes, Guardiola wasn’t the only one in shock.

The entire footballing world would collectively jaw-drop at the final scoreline, Everton having torn City to shreds. Guardiola looked like a man devoid of ideas on the touchline, head in hands as he came to terms with an away trip in the Premier League not being quite so straightforward as one to Getafe or Ingolstadt.

But you could forgive him for not seeing this onslaught coming.

Everton has been solid without being impressive this season. They sit well outside the top six, but don’t look to be troubled by any of the sides below them at the minute. They’re in their own league of slightly-above-par.

If you discount the past two seasons, this position isn’t unfamiliar.

Roberto Martinez had them finish fifth in his first season in charge, and David Moyes had them in the top seven in each of his last two seasons. They were sound achievements when you consider the budget afforded each season.

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Across Stanley Park, Liverpool was bringing in Andy Carroll for £35m while bargain buys like Kevin Mirallas at £6m took an entire season’s transfer budget.

But things are different now.

Ronald Koeman hasn’t won over the hearts of fans yet, as he hasn’t adopted the whole ‘my blood runs blue’ charade.

What he does buy into, is Everton’s mantra that only the best is good enough. Too often it’s said but not believed, as a place in the top-half has been seen as a success at Goodison.

He’s made it clear to players and fans alike that the previous standards are no more, with Tom Cleverly loaned out to Watford and inconsistent fan-favourite Gerard Deulofeu seemingly frozen out of the squad.

New major shareholder Farhad Moshiri, who bought in early last year, has also given him the financial muscle to break the glass ceiling.

That budget-breaking fee for Kevin Mirallas four years ago was nearly doubled to bring in an 18-year-old from Charlton in League One.

Making an instant impact, Ademola Lookman put the final nail in City’s coffin with a debut goal after a failed John Stones clearance. Throw in the big signings of Morgan Schneiderlin, and Yannick Bolassie back in the summer window, and suddenly it’s not the ‘plucky old Everton’ of the Moyes era.

That’s not to say Koeman is transforming the club by throwing cash.

The team that dismantled City on Sunday featured two boyhood Evertonians in Ross Barkley and 18-year-old Tom Davies, the latter introducing himself after rather-comically dismissing Gael Clichy and Toure no less, en route to scoring a brilliant goal. 20-year-old Mason Holgate was also among the back three that kept a clean sheet.

The drubbing of Manchester City may just be the highlight for Everton this season. It would take a monumental collapse from one of the sides above for Everton to move any higher in the table, cup hopes having been dashed already.

Perhaps the excitement surrounding this sleeping giant may come in the form of periods of brilliance in the second half of the season, or in transfer business to come.

However what is clear is the new era dawning for Everton Football Club.

Just as Manchester City announced themselves with the record-signing of Robinho in 2008, Everton too has made a statement on the world stage.




Good read this.
 

The EPL's Sleeping Giant: Everton FC

It’s a cold, soggy morning in the North-West of England, as the Manchester City bus rolls on down the M62, en route to Goodison Park.

It’s a relatively short away-trip for the Sky Blues and Pep Guardiola, with a rather comfortable three points to keep pace with the Premier League’s peloton expected.

Plucky old Everton has put up some stiff opposition to City in recent years, even securing a lucky point in the home fixture at the Etihad, courtesy of two penalty saves from their keeper Maarten Stekelenburg.

You’d think though, that the quality of City’s line-up would ensure that the Toffees aren’t so lucky this time around.

Sergio Aguero, Kevin de Bruyne, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Raheem Sterling provide firepower that should simply be too much for the spirited side that Everton will put out this afternoon.

Perhaps the only question in Guardiola’s mind is how young John Stones will handle his return to Goodison Park.

Stones didn’t really force his highly publicised transfer, though he didn’t exactly dig his heels in to stay either. If there’s a way to get 40,000 scousers offside, it’s to leave for seemingly greener pastures. Just ask David Moyes.

When referee Mark Clattenburg blew his whistle at the end of the 90 minutes, Guardiola wasn’t the only one in shock.

The entire footballing world would collectively jaw-drop at the final scoreline, Everton having torn City to shreds. Guardiola looked like a man devoid of ideas on the touchline, head in hands as he came to terms with an away trip in the Premier League not being quite so straightforward as one to Getafe or Ingolstadt.

But you could forgive him for not seeing this onslaught coming.

Everton has been solid without being impressive this season. They sit well outside the top six, but don’t look to be troubled by any of the sides below them at the minute. They’re in their own league of slightly-above-par.

If you discount the past two seasons, this position isn’t unfamiliar.

Roberto Martinez had them finish fifth in his first season in charge, and David Moyes had them in the top seven in each of his last two seasons. They were sound achievements when you consider the budget afforded each season.

Roaring Recommendations
Across Stanley Park, Liverpool was bringing in Andy Carroll for £35m while bargain buys like Kevin Mirallas at £6m took an entire season’s transfer budget.

But things are different now.

Ronald Koeman hasn’t won over the hearts of fans yet, as he hasn’t adopted the whole ‘my blood runs blue’ charade.

What he does buy into, is Everton’s mantra that only the best is good enough. Too often it’s said but not believed, as a place in the top-half has been seen as a success at Goodison.

He’s made it clear to players and fans alike that the previous standards are no more, with Tom Cleverly loaned out to Watford and inconsistent fan-favourite Gerard Deulofeu seemingly frozen out of the squad.

New major shareholder Farhad Moshiri, who bought in early last year, has also given him the financial muscle to break the glass ceiling.

That budget-breaking fee for Kevin Mirallas four years ago was nearly doubled to bring in an 18-year-old from Charlton in League One.

Making an instant impact, Ademola Lookman put the final nail in City’s coffin with a debut goal after a failed John Stones clearance. Throw in the big signings of Morgan Schneiderlin, and Yannick Bolassie back in the summer window, and suddenly it’s not the ‘plucky old Everton’ of the Moyes era.

That’s not to say Koeman is transforming the club by throwing cash.

The team that dismantled City on Sunday featured two boyhood Evertonians in Ross Barkley and 18-year-old Tom Davies, the latter introducing himself after rather-comically dismissing Gael Clichy and Toure no less, en route to scoring a brilliant goal. 20-year-old Mason Holgate was also among the back three that kept a clean sheet.

The drubbing of Manchester City may just be the highlight for Everton this season. It would take a monumental collapse from one of the sides above for Everton to move any higher in the table, cup hopes having been dashed already.

Perhaps the excitement surrounding this sleeping giant may come in the form of periods of brilliance in the second half of the season, or in transfer business to come.

However what is clear is the new era dawning for Everton Football Club.

Just as Manchester City announced themselves with the record-signing of Robinho in 2008, Everton too has made a statement on the world stage.




Good read this.
Nice read. The clubs in its best place for years, thanks to Moshiri, Walsh and Koeman.
 
He got it very right yesterday and the players performed. It was the first time in 3 seasons I've been able to sit down and really enjoy watching an Everton performance (can't get Europa/Cup matches...or if I could it would come with a cable bill I don't want). Davies was brilliant again. Ross seems to be rounding into form. Amazing how one transfer (Schneiderlin) and a young player breaking through makes our desolate midfield look to be a position of strength. Gana, McCarthy, Schneiderlin, Davies, and Besic (when he returns) - I like the look of that, and with Barry's experience there in a pinch.

There are still some concerns - we're weak up top. Lukaku, Mirallas, and Barkley are all hot and cold players and we don't have much behind them with Del apparently sent to the gulag. I have no idea if Lookman is ready, goal aside, but just having a player in the right place in the box is something we've needed. Previously if Rom hadn't been there, no one would.

I also echo @davek 's concerns about how this will translate to play against teams that concede possession. We clearly prefer to play a pressing, counter attacking game with the pitch in front of our players - that gets the best out of Ross, and Ross is our creative spark. But Palace won't let us play that way. They'll concede possession and force us to beat them with skill and trickery. Whether we can handle that comfortably remains to be forseen.

Either way, what a win. Was buzzing about it all day yesterday and for the first time really properly enjoyed a Koeman-led Everton.
 

Fantastic this, nothing like seeing a group of cocksure know it all biffs frothing at the mouth as they swallow their pride again. Koeman may well win jack here like most of his predecessors but I can't predict the future and I wouldn't hold that against him if he doesn't so I'll get behind him in the meantime as I would whoever was in charge. His time here so far has been a real eye opener and has been great for me in ways, but mainly for laughing through to my core at the spineless turds that call themselves fans and want instant gratification for themselves and when it's not presented to them they turn on the man and resemble a nursery full of kids who've got faces like smacked arses and are crying for their mars.


Right up my street this Ronnie Lad, cheers.

Ps I'll be back in my box if anyone wants me when we lose to Palace or Stoke or whoever it is we next lose to, or draw... we have meltdowns for draws these days don't we, so just give it a shake.
 
If Koeman can get the players to show up for the next 5, a reasonably dull fixture list, then he might be on to something. I hope we start seeing more 90 minute performances out of this squad, because we're quite good when we try.
Just remember was the players giving bobby and stones a message in the performance yesterday mate
 

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