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Ronald Koeman discussion

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larrygobfiend said:
It's not even about Everton anymore. It's the @davek show and he'd rather see Koeman fail for his own vindication on an Internet forum, than see Everton successful.

Weird.
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That's just not true. How can it when I've said umpteen times that where we are is perfectly adequate for this season?

You're setting up a straw man.

What you actually don't want is a critique of a manager who, after playing some of the worst examples of hoofball seen at Goodison, richly deserves critiquing or the perfectly valid criticism that he's ended our season on January 7th this year.
 
davek said:
That's just not true. How can it when I've said umpteen times that where we are is perfectly adequate for this season?

You're setting up a straw man.

What you actually don't want is a critique of a manager who, after playing some of the worst examples of hoofball seen at Goodison, richly deserves critiquing or the perfectly valid point that he's ended our season on January 7th this year.
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Do we still play the last 16 games? Or can we knock them on the head?
 

catcherintherye said:
Well I suppose I think we will spend another 25+ million this January. If we spend 50-100 million net per year over the next 2 years I would expect us to be competing to win the league.
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I think if we spend 100m net per year I will agree. 50, not so sure.

One thing to consider though is the clubs above us are all likely to spend as much, if not more.
 

davek said:
O

thags nut pressure mate, that's just the job description he has to meet or he's out.
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Exactly, but it's brave to publicly share that. A lot of managers don't like to put that pressure on themselves. It's added pressure. Strictly speaking we should be improving every season until we reach that aim. So if we hit a bad spell early on next season he will be under pressure.

But I believe he can give it a real go.
 
davek said:
He's getting his time.

Look, here's the situation as I see it expectation wise:

7th this season = fair enough
7th next season = not good enough, but not sackable, just a good sign that after 4 windows and his own squad largely in place he can't get us where we want.
Any failure in a third season (if he's still here) to make an assault on a CL spot is grounds for dismissal.

Having seen what this feller has done elsewhere and what he's done here I think he's a steady Eddie who doesn't have that certain creative spark that squeezes out the necessary extra points to convert an also ran into a CL spot team.
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Yeah, generally agree with this Dave. My pulling you up on a previous post was purely on your statement that failing to get CL / 5th next season means he is under performing. I'm more interested in incremental improvement as the minimum.

Your above post - the bolded - I think is a pretty fair appraisal
 
Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg said:
Exactly, but it's brave to publicly share that. A lot of managers don't like to put that pressure on themselves. It's added pressure. Strictly speaking we should be improving every season until we reach that aim. So if we hit a bad spell early on next season he will be under pressure.

But I believe he can give it a real go.
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Isn't it just taken for granted? You get backed by a billionaire with a warchest and a £6m salary and if you dont produce a big prize you are toast?

Not much bravery in that, acknowledging what we all know to be the case.
 

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