Ronald Koeman discussion

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

How so? Our spend is quite minimal in comparison to teams above?

Spurs's net spend is minimal so huge investment isn't necessary to challenge. Just smart investment. That being said, if you want to start winning trophies consistently, then you will have to spend big.

 

[bcblue1878]

Lol. It's like that Godwins Law for you bitter people. Every discussion ends up at Martinez.

"You bitter people" - oh the irony! Pot kettle black comes to mind!

 

[ianefc]

That's just not true. How can it when I've said umpteen times that where we are is perfectly adequate for this season?

You're setting up a straw man.

What you actually don't want is a critique of a manager who, after playing some of the worst examples of hoofball seen at Goodison, richly deserves critiquing or the perfectly valid point that he's ended our season on January 7th this year.

Do we still play the last 16 games? Or can we knock them on the head?

 

[jinkyali]

Well I suppose I think we will spend another 25+ million this January. If we spend 50-100 million net per year over the next 2 years I would expect us to be competing to win the league.

I think if we spend 100m net per year I will agree. 50, not so sure.

One thing to consider though is the clubs above us are all likely to spend as much, if not more.

 

[davek]

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Koeman publicly set his own target. Champions league football in 3/4 years. He's put that pressure on himself and I am grateful for that honesty.

thags nut pressure mate, that's just the job description he has to meet or he's out.

 

[PeregrineT]

You have to keep in mind, the 13 points from 15 Everton have taken have put Davek in a dreary mood. Once they lose one or two he will snap out of it.

 

[davek]

How come 7th last season wasn't 'minimum'?

7th should have been minimum, it wasn't and the price was paid....see how it works now?

 

[ianefc]

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thags nut pressure mate, that's just the job description he has to meet or he's out.

'Thags nut'

Oh.

Now I get it.......you're drunk.

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

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thags nut pressure mate, that's just the job description he has to meet or he's out.

Exactly, but it's brave to publicly share that. A lot of managers don't like to put that pressure on themselves. It's added pressure. Strictly speaking we should be improving every season until we reach that aim. So if we hit a bad spell early on next season he will be under pressure.

But I believe he can give it a real go.

 

[Amw79]

He's getting his time.

Look, here's the situation as I see it expectation wise:

7th this season = fair enough
7th next season = not good enough, but not sackable, just a good sign that after 4 windows and his own squad largely in place he can't get us where we want.
Any failure in a third season (if he's still here) to make an assault on a CL spot is grounds for dismissal.

Having seen what this feller has done elsewhere and what he's done here I think he's a steady Eddie who doesn't have that certain creative spark that squeezes out the necessary extra points to convert an also ran into a CL spot team.

Yeah, generally agree with this Dave. My pulling you up on a previous post was purely on your statement that failing to get CL / 5th next season means he is under performing. I'm more interested in incremental improvement as the minimum.

Your above post - the bolded - I think is a pretty fair appraisal

 

[Goat]

Let's see how that goes. Confident it will happen?

Very much so.

 

[davek]

We were in that group of 5 not so long ago.

Lol.

Nice to see Pulis piling the pressure on Koeman though. He had a twinkle in his eye when he said that!

 

[davek]

Exactly, but it's brave to publicly share that. A lot of managers don't like to put that pressure on themselves. It's added pressure. Strictly speaking we should be improving every season until we reach that aim. So if we hit a bad spell early on next season he will be under pressure.

But I believe he can give it a real go.

Isn't it just taken for granted? You get backed by a billionaire with a warchest and a £6m salary and if you dont produce a big prize you are toast?

Not much bravery in that, acknowledging what we all know to be the case.

 

[ianefc]

7th should have been minimum, it wasn't and the price was paid....see how it works now?

Keep saying it.
Keep stamping your feet.
Keep putting him on a perch to knock him off yourself.

But no one 'expected' us to finish above those 6 sides above us (we may have hoped) with such a head start, certainly not in 6 months. If one or more of them had a season where their board deemed it adequate to fire their manager, like 13/14 (Moyes & AVB) then fair enough, but not one of their managers appear to be in any danger.

You are setting up your own straw man.

You know it's not realistic, but you're saying it to beat him down with.

 

[ianefc]

We were in that group of 5 not so long ago.

Lol.

Nice to see Pulis piling the pressure on Koeman though. He had a twinkle in his eye when he said that!

I hope that's not a Martinez reference. Because he also dragged us to the top 13 also.

Bankrupt.