Ronald Koeman discussion

davek · January 21, 2017

Amw79 said:
Yeah, generally agree with this Dave. My pulling you up on a previous post was purely on your statement that failing to get CL / 5th next season means he is under performing. I'm more interested in incremental improvement as the minimum.

Your above post - the bolded - I think is a pretty fair appraisal

Just to be clear, if it were me and he tipped up with two 7th place finishes after 4 transfer windows I'd have him out the club ASAP. But I think he'd survive for season three.

ianefc · January 21, 2017

davek said:
Isn't it just taken for granted? You get backed by a billionaire with a warchest and a £6m salary and if you dont produce a big prize you are toast?

Not much bravery in that, acknowledging what we all know to be the case.

According to you he's not a real billionaire and isn't bankrolling us.

Another bankrupt point.

jinkyali · January 21, 2017

davek said:
7th should have been minimum, it wasn't and the price was paid....see how it works now?

You said earlier that the only thing that matters is winning the league tho?

davek · January 21, 2017

ianefc said:
Keep saying it.
Keep stamping your feet.
Keep putting him on a perch to knock him off yourself.

But no one 'expected' us to finish above those 6 sides above us (we may have hoped) with such a head start, certainly not in 6 months. If one or more of them had a season where their board deemed it adequate to fire their manager, like 13/14 (Moyes & AVB) then fair enough, but not one of their managers appear to be in any danger.

You are setting up your own straw man.

You know it's not realistic, but you're saying it to beat him down with.

*sigh* for the umpteenth time: 7th is ok for this season, I'm talking about NEXT SEASON.

blue to the bone · January 21, 2017

davek said:
Just to be clear, if it were me and he tipped up with two 7th place finishes after 4 transfer windows I'd have him out the club ASAP. But I think he'd survive for season three.

If it was up to you mate we would still have the previous manager in place .
Thank God Moshiri ain't a fool

Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg · January 21, 2017

davek said:
Isn't it just taken for granted? You get backed by a billionaire with a warchest and a £6m salary and if you dont produce a big prize you are toast?

Not much bravery in that, acknowledging what we all know to be the case.

Look at the table. A warchest isn't a guarantee. United and City, two of the richest teams in world football with two of the most successful managers can't break into the top 4. It would have been easy for Koeman to keep quiet in acknowledgement of the rebuilding job needed. I think he seems more focused on his goals than Mourihno and Guardiola at present.

Connor · January 21, 2017

davek said:
*sigh* for the umpteenth time: 7th is ok for this season, I'm talking about NEXT SEASON.

davek · January 21, 2017

jinkyali said:
You said earlier that the only thing that matters is winning the league tho?

No mate.

jinkyali · January 21, 2017

davek said:
No mate.

You have said continually that only titles and cups matter..

ianefc · January 21, 2017

davek said:
Just to be clear, if it were me and he tipped up with two 7th place finishes after 4 transfer windows I'd have him out the club ASAP. But I think he'd survive for season three.

Well this is a clear clear wind up. Given you backed Martinez for 11th and then another clear run towards a second successive bottom half finish.

You even claimed the win over Bournemouth that took us from 13th to 11th was progress.

Goat · January 21, 2017

davek said:
Just to be clear, if it were me and he tipped up with two 7th place finishes after 4 transfer windows I'd have him out the club ASAP. But I think he'd survive for season three.

It would surely depend on many factors :

Level of "backing"
Progress in the cups

2 7th place finishes in a row wouldnt be the worst thing, but 2 7th place finishes after a healthy spend and turgid cup runs, well, I would find that unacceptable, not sack worthy, but unacceptable.

But this season isnt over David, 16 games to go, 48 points on offer, let the games begin.

Amw79 · January 21, 2017

davek said:
Just to be clear, if it were me and he tipped up with two 7th place finishes after 4 transfer windows I'd have him out the club ASAP. But I think he'd survive for season three.

Nah, disagree. 7th this year is a considerable improvement on the previous 2 seasons. 7th the following year would be disappointing, but I'd accept one season of consolidation after one of improvement. honestly though, I think we'll see 2 consecutive years of league improvement.

davek · January 21, 2017

Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg said:
Look at the table. A warchest isn't a guarantee. United and City, two of the richest teams in world football with two of the most successful managers can't break into the top 4. It would have been easy for Koeman to keep quiet in acknowledgement of the rebuilding job needed. I think he seems more focused on his goals than Mourihno and Guardiola at present.

Then a challenge for top four should be expected then.

jinkyali · January 21, 2017

davek said:
That doesn't interest me mate. I use that phrase as a joke to underline how far we are away from being anything of note. how anyone can find pride in that patronising codswallop is beyond me. We are Everton. Only titles and cups are acceptable.

Look @davek
Here..you said it here.

Now 7th is the minimum target?