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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Let's hope the feel good factor helps keep him here. Arsenal are not very far away from us in terms of rebuilding, you'd imagine a lot of Wenger players will leave when he goes. I reckon we can fight off Arsenal, but Barca is a different matter altogether.

Lets hope they insist on interviewing everyone, that may make Koeman think twice. If they directly say they want Koeman and nobody else then game over man. Game over.
 
Nymzee said:
Still awaiting your rebuddle to this debate @davek or have facts stumped you.
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It's been answered decisively.

We have Lukaku and then a massive gap to anyone else. We have almost zero firepower in behind Lukaku.

This season so far our five top scorers are:

Lukaku 17
Coleman 4
Barkley 4
Mirallas 3
Baines 2


Last season our top scorers were:

Lukaku 18
Barkley 8
Lennon 5
Kone 5
Mori 4

The season before that our top scorers were:

Lukaku 10
Mirallas 7
Naismith 7
Jagielka 4
Coleman 3

And the season before that one our top scorers were:

Lukaku 15
Mirallas 7
Naismith 6
Barkley 6
Coleman 6


In bold the players you look to to get on the scoresheet and provide options in attack.

Quite clearly this season (and though there's still 12 games to go to improve this) we are overly reliant on Lukaku upfront to get the goals for us.
 
davek said:
It's been answered decisively.

We have Lukaku and then a massive gap to anyone else. We have almost zero firepower in behind Lukaku.

This season so far our five top scorers are:

Lukaku 17
Coleman 4
Barkley 4
Mirallas 3
Baines 2


Last season our top scorers were:

Lukaku 18
Barkley 8
Lennon 5
Kone 5
Mori 4

The season before that our top scorers were:

Lukaku 10
Mirallas 7
Naismith 7
Jagielka 4
Coleman 3

And the season before that one our top scorers were:

Lukaku 15
Mirallas 7
Naismith 6
Barkley 6
Coleman 6


In bold the players you look to to get on the scoresheet and provide options in attack.

Quite clearly this season (and though there's still 12 games to go to improve this) we are overly reliant on Lukaku upfront to get the goals for us.
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Are the previous seasons' stats from the same stage in the season or are they end of season stats?

To be honest looking at the figures, I'm not sure the difference between this season and previous seasons is statistically significant.
 

davek said:
It's been answered decisively.

This season so far our five top scorers are:

Lukaku 17
Coleman 4
Barkley 4
Mirallas 3
Baines 2


Last season our top scorers were:

Lukaku 18
Barkley 8
Lennon 5
Kone 5
Mori 4


Quite clearly this season (and though there's still 12 games to go to improve this) we are overly reliant on Lukaku upfront to get the goals for us.
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Right but with 12 games to go like you've said, how has the makeup of our goalscorers really changed between 2 very different maangers?

To equal last season's totals with the next dozen games we need:

Lukaku 1 goal.
Barkley 4 more goals.
Coleman 1 goal.
Mirallas 2 goals.
Baines 2 goals.

If over the next 12 games these are achieved or bettered how can you argue we're only now over-reliant on Lukaku and don't attack as a team as much as the last regime when even as it stands they're pretty damn close?

This was your original point: "We played with a lot of atacking style under Martinez - committing numbers to attack. We dont do that under Koeman. We just dont and it's no use arguing we do. We rely on one player to get the goals, and he is having to because no one else chips in as they dont get into positions to."

You're saying here we now rely on one person when we clearly always have.
 
davek said:
It's been answered decisively.

We have Lukaku and then a massive gap to anyone else. We have almost zero firepower in behind Lukaku.

This season so far our five top scorers are:

Lukaku 17
Coleman 4
Barkley 4
Mirallas 3
Baines 2


Last season our top scorers were:

Lukaku 18
Barkley 8
Lennon 5
Kone 5
Mori 4

The season before that our top scorers were:

Lukaku 10
Mirallas 7
Naismith 7
Jagielka 4
Coleman 3

And the season before that one our top scorers were:

Lukaku 15
Mirallas 7
Naismith 6
Barkley 6
Coleman 6


In bold the players you look to to get on the scoresheet and provide options in attack.

Quite clearly this season (and though there's still 12 games to go to improve this) we are overly reliant on Lukaku upfront to get the goals for us.
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Managerial one upping aside, this is a fair point. We have a striker scoring the same number as the title challengers, we are in the top 6 defences in the league, yet we are 7th. If Barkley could get up to 15 goals and another player chip in with 10 we'd be CL challengers. That's what Lampard did playing off Drogba. Now that we have Schneiderlin and Gueye it's not enough for Barkley to knit the play together. As great as it is to blood young players, if Davies Lookman and Barkley are to keep their places they have to score.
 
Nymzee said:
Right but with 12 games to go like you've said, how has the makeup of our goalscorers really changed between 2 very different maangers?

To equal last season's totals with the next dozen games we need:

Lukaku 1 goal.
Barkley 4 more goals.
Coleman 1 goal.
Mirallas 2 goals.
Baines 2 goals.

If over the next 12 games these are achieved or bettered how can you argue we're only now over-reliant on Lukaku and don't attack as a team as much as the last regime when even as it stands they're pretty damn close?

This was your original point: "We played with a lot of atacking style under Martinez - committing numbers to attack. We dont do that under Koeman. We just dont and it's no use arguing we do. We rely on one player to get the goals, and he is having to because no one else chips in as they dont get into positions to."

You're saying here we now rely on one person when we clearly always have.
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The point is we need players in the rest of the attack/attacking midfield weighing in with 7/8 goals each...or at least a couple of them to do that. We are way off that with 12 matches left.

There's no question that this season we have relied inordinately on Lukaku.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Managerial one upping aside, this is a fair point. We have a striker scoring the same number as the title challengers, we are in the top 6 defences in the league, yet we are 7th. If Barkley could get up to 15 goals and another player chip in with 10 we'd be CL challengers. That's what Lampard did playing off Drogba. Now that we have Schneiderlin and Gueye it's not enough for Barkley to knit the play together. As great as it is to blood young players, if Davies Lookman and Barkley are to keep their places they have to score.
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It's not down to personnel that they haven't chipped in with more, it's down to the approach play.

Not committing numbers to counter attacking will result in an imbalance like the one we have this season...and woe betide any team playing like that who dont have one of the top strikers in the country on form playing for them.
 

davek said:
It's not down to personnel that they haven't chipped in with more, it's down to the approach play.

Not committing numbers to counter attacking will result in an imbalance like the one we have this season...and woe betide any team playing like that who dont have one of the top strikers in the country on form playing for them.
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I used to think that, but then we replaced Lineker with Adrian and the goals rained in from everywhere. if you put a different player in there up top it changes the whole dynamic, you can't just say, 'how are we going to replace the goals'
 
Kev50 said:
I used to think that, but then we replaced Lineker with Adrian and the goals rained in from everywhere. if you put a different player in there up top it changes the whole dynamic, you can't just say, 'how are we going to replace the goals'
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But the Lineker example was from a point where we had our best ever manager and team who could adapt to anything.

I can just see us replacing Lukaku with a Llorente type and he bags 9 for the season and a couple of the the best of the rest of ours chip in with 6/7 goals.
 
If arsenal do come in for him he will go, Everton were a step up from Sothampton and arsenal are a step up from Everton....simple
 
davek said:
The point is we need players in the rest of the attack/attacking midfield weighing in with 7/8 goals each...or at least a couple of them to do that. We are way off that with 12 matches left.

There's no question that this season we have relied inordinately on Lukaku.
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I'll come back to this in May and see where we've ended up but I project nothing different between the previous and current regime.
 

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