Ronald Koeman discussion

[stretford blue]

Not one for knee-jerk reactions either but I thought all along since the Chelsea game that we will never go anywhere as a club if our custodians don't uphold and enforce standards in how we play and results.

Why on earth should we consider the last 4 league games as some sort of free pass? What is the point at all if we don't wish to compete with and beat these sides and when we don't, what are we going to do about it?

If we don't insist on better and be bold then we'll remain in the rut we have been in for 25 years.

Daniel Levy took action in getting rid of Villas-Boas after a 0-5 reverse against Liverpool. Free pass? Absolutely not, and look where that attitude has taken them since.

A 1-10 aggregate in these 4 games is just frankly embarrassing. We had our fun with signings in pre-season but it actually hurts that fans of the sides we as fans aspire to compete with can look at us and just see how abysmal we are.

Thing is, Bournemouth and Burnley aren't going to roll over to accomodate Koeman and even winning those games, well, so what in effect if longer-term damage has been done over the last fortnight.

It just feels we have been put very firmly back in our box again.

On balance, and if we can afford it, I would pay Koeman off. There is a ceiling with him and we are not going to break through it under his management. More positively, I think it would say loud and clear that 0-12 in four games is just not acceptable, and never can be at EFC.

Losing these games and the lack of performance in them leaves koeman with no leeway. his team has to win the four games and look like something is forming regarding the performance and entertainment value or the pressure will be too much

 

[dannyboy]

There you go again with your ' winnable games ' scenario. There is no such thing as winnable games.

Especially on the back end of three consecutive thrashings and not scoring a goal for nearly 400 minutes of togger.

Are there not games we are more likely to win than others?

I'd definitely fancy us a little bit more against Bournemouth and Burnley than against United, Chelsea and Spurs.

 

[matty1878]

Still does not seem to know what team or formation to choose and stick to,or even play in there right postions,saying what he did about kenny saying the u23s is not the prem league etc,is almost dismissing every u23 player right from the off,these are the players that will want it more than some of the ones that have come in from the outside-we have games we should win comming up next month but these are the teams that will go for us,and koeman could be in trouble if he doesnt win them i say

Well maybe he doesn't wanna throw them in when we're in a rut. They'd be slated to oblivion

 

[MrD]

Pardew in!

 

[roydo]

Esk on 5 Live I think.

 

[matty1878]

Pardew in!

Go away

 

[Ring master]

Well maybe he doesn't wanna throw them in when we're in a rut. They'd be slated to oblivion

lets be real,he doesnt exactly throw them in most times,he had no choice really in 2nd part of last season due to so many injuries

 

[matty1878]

Esk on 5 Live I think.

Saying our fans are bad knee jerkers?

 

[Thomasc]

We knew the fixtures were tough, but I cannot use that.

Burnley won at Chelsea, drew at Spurs and drew at Anfield, thus making that excuse redundant.

I am afraid that to lose the last 4 games and concede 12 whilst scoring 0 is unacceptable by any standards.

 

[matty1878]

lets be real,he doesnt exactly throw them in most times,he had no choice really in 2nd part of last season due to so many injuries

But now isn't the time is it? You know and I know that

 

[dannyboy]

lol and again ridiculous shouts calling for unsworth

And you just know that if Unsworth didn't win for a couple of games the exact same people would be on here calling for his head too.

I understand the frustration, I just don't understand why people can't look at it without going into meltdown. If this is still happening in a month's time then it's completely different.

 

[Efcjake]

GET THAT FAT HEADED DUTCH FRAUD OUT OF MY CLUB RIGGHT NOW THE USELESS IDIOT!!!!

You alright mate?

 

[roydo]

Esk on 5 Live I think.

Oh, no its not.

 

[blue4eva77]

Yep exactly mate people are just being girls not forgetting who we've played these past games aswell ffs. This will be turned around FACT

Love this !

' Yeah mate, but we've played the elite '.

Have you seen our performances Matty ?

400 minutes (give or take) without a sniff at goal.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Personally Legs, the only one i'd have switched would have been DCL in for Davies, and maybe Holgate for Martina.

Ironically enough, Martina and Davies were two of our best players...

Fair points but still think it a bit cowardly of Koeman to blame it all on the players mentality when he has been flailing to pick a consistent team/formation.

As you said Davies did well yet Koeman was only a couple of days ago saying Tom's loss of confidence was one reason he wasn't picking Kenny.
“That is for Kenny, that is for... Tom Davies was an exception, an exception. But Davies is now a little bit more struggling. Last season he came in the team and he is playing out of nothing. Every weekend he is playing out of nothing, he played with confidence and now he is thinking, he is thinking, he lost the spontaneity a little bit. That’s what."