Ronald Koeman discussion

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faddy the blue said:
Koeman improved our defence last season by a mile. Its there to see.
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He didnt really. Well kind of.

Statistically yes this is true but it also came at the expense of other parts of the team. At the end of the day when push came to shove and we needed our defence to stand up and be counted it didn't happen.

To be fair that's not his fault either, it happened under Martinez, it happened under Moyes.
 
Main thing for me is that he's been here 18 months and I don't know what his style of play is.
We don't keep possession well, we can't counter attack, we don't play with width, we don't press..

I just don't know what he's even trying to do. Worryingly, I don't think he knows either.
 
Pabbers said:
I just dont get him, and i get no passion from him. Reminds me of LVG. He is sticking the gaff out, utter terrible football, no shape, pace, pressing or passion in that team at all.

He has ripped up what he did well last season.

So bad.
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This is the main thing for me. What he inherited was shambolic, he added some structure and when we got on a good run we started to play some good football and it looked like we only needed a few extra parts to improve. He's had the summer and lost his way.
 

bicycleheader said:
the difference though us we may get a manager who gives us belief that we MAY take that next step. we currently have a manager who IMO is almost a guarantee that we wont.

Im just bloody bored with this crap choice the club made and would prefer get some excitement back in the club.
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tbh, I've always seen Koeman as a stepping stone to our next manager. Someone to steady the ship and keep us reasonably competitive so we're close enough to the CL places to make that step up feasible. We're signing a lot of young talent, but they're not likely to be first teamers in the course of his contract.

Mind you, he should be doing a damned sight better with the current talent at his disposal.
 
Woolly Blue said:
Aye, there's some truth in what you say there, and maybe he got lucky with having those three players, but I can't really think of a manager who would have done substantially better than what he did with those players. People will throw names out like they're all of a sudden, experts in appointing managers, but the reality is that we're all hurting cos we're playing awful at the moment, so we'll just hit out at the nearest inanimate object.

To be fair, it would be hard to miss Koeman, there's a lot of him to hit.
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Think it's more that the first season we had no real system/style of play that was discernible, especially away from home and a lot of that was attributed by people to having Lukaku there who 'is not a Koeman system player'

Now we got rid of him, spunked a shed-load of money on about 8-9 new first team players, played 14 games and a pre season with them, yet I'd wager not one of us have a clue what we are actually trying to do or how we are trying to play. That's absolutely terrible management, we are a loss to Lyon away from effectively being out of Europe only half way through the group stage, we are looking woeful in the league, and even the cup progress is tempered by the fact we have Chelsea away in the next round so can expect an absolute bumming of a Purple Aki magnitude.

Right now, Tuchel and Ancelotti are both available, unless Bayern go for Tuchel ofc, IF we have the genuine ambition that Moshiri has stated we do, approach both of them - see if one bites (although think both would want assurances of serious funding)

I think Koeman is one of those managers who does well with low expectation - indeed maybe exceeds them - like us last year and Saints in both seasons there, his time in Holland he done well with a complete underdog and besides that managed Ajax and PSV - who a blind dog could have challenging for the title lets face it, both clubs he managed in leagues where they weren't the best team but had the expectation to challenge near the top - Benfica and Valencia he failed dramatically at, even cup wins at both couldn't save his job that appalling was the league form and style of play at both.

Ancelotti would be a no brainer - an absolutely top manager, Tuchel - some doubts over, but did very well at Mainz and did well at Dortmund - tempered with his falling out with senior figures at the club over having to sell players (but he does develop young players and for us that is a massive plus) - also plays a very attractive style that is suited to this league
 
I'm not sure why people think he won't be sacked. If it was Kenwright's decision then fair enough but if it's Moshiri's we know very little about the guy. I remember him saying what he liked about Koeman was that he was ruthless. If a player isn't good enough he'll get another one. If that's his attitude too then Koeman must be on borrowed time.
 
naz said:
Brighton a
Arsenal h
Leicester a

Need to beat Brighton I think or Everton will be in the bottom 3 after 10 games.

I am not sure that a managerial change will turn it around anyway. I don't think it's a case of a squad underperforming but a poor manager and football board who have made poor signings
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Only missed 2 games this season and after watching another disgusting performance I've come to the conclusion that nobody wants to play under Koeman .Maybe Ross has it right by wanting out and now the rest of the squad are all thinking the same.Just putting it out there .Ffs Everton here we go again.
 
MACCA75 said:
Main thing for me is that he's been here 18 months and I don't know what his style of play is.
We don't keep possession well, we can't counter attack, we don't play with width, we don't press..

I just don't know what he's even trying to do. Worryingly, I don't think he knows either.
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Spot on.

I do think he's been utterly left hang out to dry without a forward too.

I expect mutual termination after the Arsenal game following defeats to Brighton and Arsenal.
 

He has to go. It hasn't worked for whatever reason. My opinion is that he has zero management skills. He doesn't understand how to get the best out of people or what they need to be happy in their work. If he is constantly blaming them and telling them they aren't good enough then they will start to believe it. Siggurdson isn't a bad player, neither is Schneiderlin or Gueye. They seem to be terrified of making a mistake and therefore make more. I don't think he "gets" Everton either. If he stays and it gets worse then it may be too late to unpick the damage. I would give it to Unsworth on temporary basis. Maybe with Big Joe to help. Both committed Blues who care. And that's what's missing. Passion. Belief. Caring about the club. The culture of a workplace is usually set by the behaviour of those at the top. Koeman appears to be dour, uncaring and unfeeling with regards to Everton. It translates to the pitch.
 
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anjelikaferrett said:
He has to go. It hasn't worked for whatever reason. My opinion is that he has zero management skills. He doesn't understand how to get the best out of people or what they need to be happy in their work. If he is constantly blaming them and telling them they aren't good enough then they will start to believe it. Siggurdson isn't a bad player, neither is Schneiderlin or Gueye. They seem to be terrified of making a mistake and therefore make more. I don't think he "gets" Everton either. If he stays and it gets worse then it may be too late to unlock the damage. I would give it to Unsworth on temporary basis. Maybe with Big Joe to help. Both committed Blues who care. And that's what's missing. Passion. Belief. Caring about the club. The culture of a workplace is usually set by the behaviour of those at the top. Koeman appears to be dour, uncaring and unfeeling with regards to Everton. It translates to the pitch.
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Valid points.

His brutal honesty will be his undoing in my eyes
 
1st April Liverpool 3–1 Everton
4 April 201731 Manchester United 1–1 Everton
9 April 201732 Everton 4–2 Leicester City
15 April 201733 Everton 3–1 Burnley
22 April 201734 West Ham United 0–0 Everton
30 April 201735 Everton 0–3 Chelsea
6 May 201736 Swansea City 1–0 Everton
12 May 201737 Everton 1–0 Watford
21 May 201738 Arsenal 3–1 Everton

12 August 20171 Everton 1–0 Stoke City
21 August 20172 Manchester City 1–1 Everton
27 August 20173 Chelsea 2–0 Everton
9 September 20174 Everton 0–3 Tottenham Hotspur
17 September 20175 Manchester United 4–0 Everton
23 September 20176 Everton 2–1 AFC Bournemouth
1 October 20177 Everton 0v1 Burnley

16 league games since April
Won 5
Drawn 3
Lost 8

Definitely on a downward spiral
 
Woolly Blue said:
tbh, I've always seen Koeman as a stepping stone to our next manager. Someone to steady the ship and keep us reasonably competitive so we're close enough to the CL places to make that step up feasible. We're signing a lot of young talent, but they're not likely to be first teamers in the course of his contract.

Mind you, he should be doing a damned sight better with the current talent at his disposal.
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thing is he saw us and him being here as that as well - stepping stone, he was always with his personality - doing a job here with no connection really made or wanted by him it appears, to be on thin ice, succeed - yes the fans will back you, but start struggling and their is no love for him amongst the supporters - and thats of his own making really.

Same way no one really shed tears at certain players leaving - because they never really got the club - and it was just a means to an end.
 

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