Ronald Koeman discussion

Jebus_lives · November 6, 2016

davek said:
5 points from the last 18.

1 win in the last 7 games.

This team are going backward at a rate of knots. And if this manager persists in underlining some fallacy that he's sorted the defence out then the slide will continue.

I'll take a leaf out of your book from last year and do a 'bad day at the office yesterday, but it'll take time for Koeman to put his stamp on this team. Improvements will be slow but got a great partnership in Bolasie and Lukaku...it will take time to undo the horror of the past regime'

bicycleheader · November 6, 2016

tommye said:
You two should just bang and get it out your systems. Shall I book a room?

You could lob mikeh into that too! Trysting triumvirate

tommye · November 6, 2016

bicycleheader said:
You could lob mikeh into that too! Trysting triumvirate

bicycleheader · November 6, 2016

I guess if we accept our manager is not amazing and neither are the majority of our squad then the key to it all will be recruitment. Assuming he gets the backing from Moshiri you would hope he will do better on his bigger money signings than Bolasie or we will be stocking up on inconsistent averageness. I'm a bit tired of most of the faces in the team by now. Won't be putting the boot into any of them but we can probably do with having better options than Seamus, Barry, Jags, Cleverley, Oviedo and Kev for example. Barry just because he should be used way more sparingly and I leave out other players as they haven't been here as long and maybe would improve with better players around them.

Unfortunately I don't think we are in for much fun this season but let's see what we look like at the start of the next. Really hope we don't lose somebody like Ross just because he doesn't fit the picture for a manager who is unlikely to be here very long. I think Koeman likes him and might improve him, but hate seeing any mention of him being sold.

CahillsCornerFlag · November 6, 2016

mikeh72 said:
Imagine inheriting such an utterly embarrassing, weak-minded, gutless gang of complete s***houses

Spot on. In terms of people with the right attitude/quality, who aren't just 'potential', youd have to say only Williams, Barry, Gana and Lukaku make the cut.

Personally I'd get rid of about 12-13 of our squad and virtually start again.

BlueToff · November 6, 2016

CahillsCornerFlag said:
Spot on. In terms of people with the right attitude/quality, who aren't just 'potential', youd have to say only Williams, Barry, Gana and Lukaku make the cut.

Personally I'd get rid of about 12-13 of our squad and virtually start again.

But that can't realistically garner a positive result in a short-space of time.

Squad overhaul will have to be done gradually.

The fact of the matter remains that even with all this negative talk, we're still going to head into the international break (more than likely) in the top 7.

tommytowne · November 6, 2016

Just spoken to a few Saints fans in Hull town centre up for their game this afternoon. They still have a cob on over us taking him but reckon he will get things right in the end.
He'd better get his skates on and see us through to the year end without any more catastrophies or the natives will get restless again.

hktoffee · November 6, 2016

davek said:
5 points from the last 18.

1 win in the last 7 games.

This team are going backward at a rate of knots. And if this manager persists in underlining some fallacy that he's sorted the defence out then the slide will continue.

What can be worst when Martinez was in charge? Are we doing any worse than the previous 2 seasons? No. Don't jump onto the conclusion dave let Koeman does his job.

22 wins out of 75. That's what you call dreadful winning rate.

davek · November 6, 2016

hktoffee said:
What can be worst when Martinez was in charge? Are we doing any worse than the previous 2 seasons? No. Don't jump onto the conclusion dave let Koeman does his job.

What conclusion am I leaping to?

I'm stating a fact concerning the form of the last two months. Maybe it doesn't concern you that we've just ended that poor period with our worst mauling of the past decade, but it does me.

hktoffee · November 6, 2016

davek said:
What conclusion am I leaping to?

I'm stating a fact concerning the form of the last two months. Maybe it doesn't concern you that we've just ended that poor period with our worst mauling of the past decade, but it does me.

What form? 11 games and won 5. We can't even beat West Ham at home when leading last season. 2 seasons of dreadful PL records that was form.

Period, we have the easy fixture period last Christmas was it? Still where were the team in the table? 12th when RM was fired. Why would you lay the blame on Koeman now he is 2 and 1/2 months (start of season) into his job not 3 years. He will get things right like he did at Soton.

Ernie · November 6, 2016

Its worth noting Martinez schooled this fella a couple of times on his home turf

Zatara · November 6, 2016

Khalekan said:
Happen you should "knee jerk".

To just meekly accept that rubbish today, which means we have now picked up five points out of the last eighteen on offer must alarm even the most fervent Koeman lover, is really head in the sand stuff.

To keep giving this guy the benefit of the doubt when the team is getting worse on an almost weekly basis on the grounds that we "are below no team worse than us" is bizarre.

Now, I not advocating firing him or owt like that.

But I want to see some sign he is worth the money we are paying him.

And yes, that includes getting a much sweeter tune out of the players he has at his disposal right now......in the weeks leading up to January.

If this slump since mid September continues plenty of teams who should not be "above us" will indeed be above us before much longer.

(though to be honest, I am not holding out much hope for any major signings at the quality end of the market come January).

5pts out of 18 is relegation form and some of those games have been winnable on paper.

Came in...boring football...pts on the board then capitulated.

davek · November 6, 2016

hktoffee said:
What form? 11 games and won 5. We can't even beat West Ham at home when leading last season. 2 seasons of dreadful PL records that was form.

Period, we have the easy fixture period last Christmas was it? Still where were the team in the table? 12th when RM was fired. Why would you lay the blame on Koeman now he is 2 and 1/2 months (start of season) into his job not 3 years. He will get things right like he did in Soton.

Is the last 11 games the last two months?

We've been nowhere near good enough of late.

The big thing for me is the fallacy the defence was sorted out. That's been blown apart in the last few games. As far as I'm concerned Koeman has had minimum influence in this club from a coaching perspective. We're still atrocious in that back four, and he's actually taken the potency away from our attacking game.