Ronald Koeman discussion

[USABlue]

Think you may of misunderstood my post

I was agreeing with you, I just wanted to exegarate the best squad comment to the people who used it in their quest to rid RM, but now blame results on the crap RM left

It seems like i had! i agree with what youre trying to say, some people are even blaming koeman now. Prehaps it wasnt martinez or koeman, but the players

 

[MikeH72]

Sorry, How?

That season we had Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Osman and Howard before they all fell off a cliff for a start.

 

[Yankfootball1]

That season we had Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Osman and Howard before they all fell off a cliff for a start.

And pinnear who was our most creative player probably

 

[dholliday]

Moyes getting us regular best-of-the-rest is probably under-appreciated, but in an age when Leicester can win the title with such style and so soon after investment & manager change then I don't see why we shouldn't expect a little more oomph in our performances so far.

We may be 6th which sounds fine on paper but we've all seen our performances this season and it's not been that heartening, especially considering current form/results and the big matches to come.

 

[Ernie]

That season we had Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Osman and Howard before they all fell off a cliff for a start.

So Howard, Osman and Distin where the main reason we finished on 72 points?

WOW

 

[hktoffee]

Youre comparing Moyes to Martinez spending ignoring that Martinez only rarely had funds to sign players over £5mil and had to cover a lot of positions with old players and gambles.

Which players did Moyes leave Martinez who were worth decent money? Where are these players now?

Martinez added alot of value to the balance sheet with his transfers to argue that is folly.

RM had ￡15m net per season while DM had about ￡1-2m. And it was up to RM as to how to spend the budget. Fellaini, Jelavic, Anichebe and Naismith were sold for almost £50m.

I ask you again why don't you accept RM was a failure? He got the sack because he got 22 wins out of 75 matches. Plain and simple. What do you want to justify?

 

[MikeH72]

So Howard, Osman and Distin where the main reason we finished on 72 points?

WOW

Hahahaha you absolute clown

 

[hktoffee]

Because he failed as a manager, I never suggest that he did a good job I'm saying the squad everyones ripping to shreds tore it up in his first season

Cool, fair enough as least you admit it.

 

[Ernie]

Hahahaha you absolute clown

We have Coleman/Jags/Baines/Barry/Barkley/Del/Lukaku/Kev/Oviedo/McCarthy/Kone/Robles who all played in that 2013/2014 side

So tell me how that side can finish 5th on 72 points but we now call them not good enough/massive bottlers etc

Maybe we don't have the right man to get the best out of them

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

We got tanked 5 nil by Chelsea, and have 1 win in 6. Yet we're 3 points off 5th place Spurs, who are unbeaten.

Make of that what you will.

 

[Zatara]

RM had ￡15m net per season while DM had about ￡1-2m. And it was up to RM as to how to spend the budget. Fellaini, Jelavic, Anichebe and Naismith were sold for almost £50m.

I ask you again why don't you accept RM was a failure? He got the sack because he got 22 wins out of 75 matches. Plain and simple. What do you want to justify?

£15mil 'net per season'.

So £45mil then...now remove Lukaku and youre left with £17mil over 3 seasons.

The way you calculate teams predicted finishing places in the league is their wage bill...ours was 9th and we finished 11th.

Now imagine what the wage bill would have been once you remove the rubbish dross which was left over and the bad gambles made...more like 15th or worse.

our wage bill this season i think would be 7th or 8th...lets see where we finish.

 

[MikeH72]

We have Coleman/Jags/Baines/Barry/Barkley/Del/Lukaku/Kev/Oviedo/McCarthy/Kone/Robles who all played in that 2013/2014 side

So tell me how that side can finish 5th on 72 points but we now call them not good enough/massive bottlers etc

Maybe we don't have the right man to get the best out of them

Why on earth are you bringing up 3 seasons ago and ignoring the fact this group of players could barely muster up a good performance in the past 2?

 

[Zatara]

We got tanked 5 nil by Chelsea, and have 1 win in 6. Yet we're 3 points off 5th place Spurs, who are unbeaten.

Make of that what you will.

Kane got injured.

Imagine where we would be without lukaku.

 

[Ernie]

Why on earth are you bringing up 3 seasons ago and ignoring the fact this group of players could barely muster up a good performance in the past 2?

Because the quality is obviously there, Or do we ignore that first season under Martinez?

 

[DerbyshireAndHarper]

We have Coleman/Jags/Baines/Barry/Barkley/Del/Lukaku/Kev/Oviedo/McCarthy/Kone/Robles who all played in that 2013/2014 side

So tell me how that side can finish 5th on 72 points but we now call them not good enough/massive bottlers etc

Maybe we don't have the right man to get the best out of them

That's easy. They played well for one season, then played crap for the next 2 seasons under the same manager. Nothing changed. the manager didn't change. So it was clearly the players. Ask Baines, he said it himself. The discipline slipped and the players didn't want to play for him.

Now we have a new manager. The players don't want to play for him either.

It's the players mate, no-one else.

There comes a point when you need to admit players aren't as good as you thought they were, and/or are now finished, and have a clearout. A proper one, including some high profile departures.